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> it seems that a bit of push-back is expected (and potentially warranted). It is generally useful to use a reversal thought experiment to check for logical co

by qiqing 9y ago

> it seems that a bit of push-back is expected (and potentially warranted). It is generally useful to use a reversal thought experiment to check for logical consistency. Would a photogenic young man who wore tight clothes while presenting their hardware projects be told he's not a real person because he had the audacity to own his sexuality? Would that be warranted or expected?

angersock 9y ago
"Tight clothes"? No. "A speedo barely concealing their junk"? Maybe. To be fair, in a lot of her videos she's wearing something completely reasonable for a workshop.
- qiqing 9y ago
  Excerpt from a different article: Why and how did you create this “Sexy Cyborg” character? Is it all persona or is it also the real you? Basically, when you are not being a maker, do you still dress just as sexy? It’s the other way around, I actually wear more conservative clothing when taking maker pictures and video for English-speaking social media than I do normally just walking around and running errands. Westerners just seem to get enraged over silly clothes. Well, Americans and British mostly. Europeans and South Americans just think it’s funny and exciting, like Chinese do usually. I have what I call the Auntie Test: Do Chinese women over about 50 or so have any problem with my clothes? The Auntie who cleans the halls in my apartment building has twice sent me back home for a sweater, but that is just because it was winter and catching a cold calls for Chinese Traditional Medicine. I was raised properly and am respectful. If the day comes and the neighborhood Aunties tell me not to dress so sexy, I won’t. But so long as they smile and wave at me, I don’t really think it’s anyone’s business what I wear in my own country. http://www.makery.info/en/2017/01/30/sexy-cyborg-la-communaute-maker-est-reservee-aux-privilegies-blancs/ http://www.makery.info/en/2017/01/30/sexy-cyborg-la-communau...
deeg 9y ago
The ranks of the tech industry are dominated by men so if a man tried to use his sexuality to capture more eyeballs he'd likely be ignored or widely mocked. Also, since men do not endure the sexual harassment or objectification like women do in the tech field, I'm not sure if the situations are easily reversed. How about this thought experiment: what if I made a poster of Wu and put it on my office wall next to the posters of Steve Jobs and Limor Fried? Would I be creating a hostile environment for my female coworkers? Wu can dress how she wants in her private life and it's none of my (or our) business; commenting negatively on her private attire would indeed be slut shaming. However she is projecting a highly sexualized image into a field that has problems with sexualizing women; that is what opens her to criticism.
- bigiain 9y ago
  I must have missed the tweets where Dougherty tried to destroy the career and livelihood of, say, Taylor Swift or Beyonce or Miley Cyrus. In what universe does "a field that has problems with sexualizing women" mean the opening for criticism is on the women, not the problem of "the field"? Dougherty needs to stop pretending he's a fit and appropriate person to lead or speak for a major company - and go learn a bit of respect and restraint. Right now his reputation is lingering around Jake Applebaum, Frank Artale, Dave McClure, and Harvey Weinstein. I'd like to hope Tim O'Reilly realises the damage Dale's doing to the Make and Makerfaire brands, and reacts as well as 500 Startups and Ignition Ventures both (eventually) did... But, as you point out, we're in "a field that has problems with sexualizing women".
UncleMeat 9y ago
Heck, there was a freaking cologne ad campaign featuring a stanford grad student. We've got a clear example of a sexualized man in tech not getting this sort of negative response.

by qiqing 9y ago

angersock 9y ago

"Tight clothes"? No. "A speedo barely concealing their junk"? Maybe. To be fair, in a lot of her videos she's wearing something completely reasonable for a workshop.

qiqing 9y ago
Excerpt from a different article: Why and how did you create this “Sexy Cyborg” character? Is it all persona or is it also the real you? Basically, when you are not being a maker, do you still dress just as sexy? It’s the other way around, I actually wear more conservative clothing when taking maker pictures and video for English-speaking social media than I do normally just walking around and running errands. Westerners just seem to get enraged over silly clothes. Well, Americans and British mostly. Europeans and South Americans just think it’s funny and exciting, like Chinese do usually. I have what I call the Auntie Test: Do Chinese women over about 50 or so have any problem with my clothes? The Auntie who cleans the halls in my apartment building has twice sent me back home for a sweater, but that is just because it was winter and catching a cold calls for Chinese Traditional Medicine. I was raised properly and am respectful. If the day comes and the neighborhood Aunties tell me not to dress so sexy, I won’t. But so long as they smile and wave at me, I don’t really think it’s anyone’s business what I wear in my own country. http://www.makery.info/en/2017/01/30/sexy-cyborg-la-communaute-maker-est-reservee-aux-privilegies-blancs/ http://www.makery.info/en/2017/01/30/sexy-cyborg-la-communau...

deeg 9y ago

The ranks of the tech industry are dominated by men so if a man tried to use his sexuality to capture more eyeballs he'd likely be ignored or widely mocked. Also, since men do not endure the sexual harassment or objectification like women do in the tech field, I'm not sure if the situations are easily reversed. How about this thought experiment: what if I made a poster of Wu and put it on my office wall next to the posters of Steve Jobs and Limor Fried? Would I be creating a hostile environment for my female coworkers? Wu can dress how she wants in her private life and it's none of my (or our) business; commenting negatively on her private attire would indeed be slut shaming. However she is projecting a highly sexualized image into a field that has problems with sexualizing women; that is what opens her to criticism.

bigiain 9y ago
I must have missed the tweets where Dougherty tried to destroy the career and livelihood of, say, Taylor Swift or Beyonce or Miley Cyrus. In what universe does "a field that has problems with sexualizing women" mean the opening for criticism is on the women, not the problem of "the field"? Dougherty needs to stop pretending he's a fit and appropriate person to lead or speak for a major company - and go learn a bit of respect and restraint. Right now his reputation is lingering around Jake Applebaum, Frank Artale, Dave McClure, and Harvey Weinstein. I'd like to hope Tim O'Reilly realises the damage Dale's doing to the Make and Makerfaire brands, and reacts as well as 500 Startups and Ignition Ventures both (eventually) did... But, as you point out, we're in "a field that has problems with sexualizing women".

UncleMeat 9y ago

Heck, there was a freaking cologne ad campaign featuring a stanford grad student. We've got a clear example of a sexualized man in tech not getting this sort of negative response.