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It's not surprising. China just adds itself to the list of countries with "you do it over there, but you don't do it here" laws. * China fabricates propaganda
by jstarfish 9y ago
It's not surprising. China just adds itself to the list of countries with "you do it over there, but you don't do it here" laws.
* China fabricates propaganda on Facebook, but bans it at home.
* Germany manufactures and exports firearms, but tightly regulates them at home.
* The US manufactures and exports cigarettes and pharmaceuticals, but tightly regulates them at home.
* Israel markets binary option trading scams to the rest of the world, but bans them at home.
* Russia produces malware, but only punishes anyone who unleashes it at home.
There's a lot to be said about the credibility of products and services that governments won't let their own people have access to but freely sell to the rest of the world.
- vslira 9y agoThis should be a WTO principle or something: you’re only allowed to sell products/services to foreign countries thay you allow to circulate internally and on similar conditions.
- jstanley 9y agoWhy?
- jdoliner 9y agoBecause that's the globalist answer to everything. Find some organization that you feel is responsible for fixing some moral failing you perceive in the world. Lobby them, claiming that they are responsible for the moral failing and immoral if they don't fix it. Get some lame piece of regulation out of it that causes more harm than good. That harm becomes your next moral failing and the process repeats. But everyone involved gets to project the outward impression that they are making the world a better place.
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- brianjoseff 9y agoHow do you propose we better address perceived moral failings?
- wcarron 9y agoBecause it helps ensure you're not attempting to export products, services, and ideas with the goal of undermining other countries?? It's not a perfect idea. But the export of harmful things just so one nation can offload the cost to other nations is a pretty cuntish practice and should be stopped.
- RickS 9y agoNot the parent you're replying to, but a guess: Because the presence of regulation suggests at least some vector for the regulated thing doing harm. Wantonly exporting something tightly regulated in its place of origin implies that the government is aware of its potential to do harm, and sells it anyway without the regulatory guiderails, which is a shitty thing to do.
- est 9y ago> you’re only allowed to sell products/services to foreign countries thay you allow to circulate internally and on similar conditions. Did you mean Voice of America? VOA is forbidden to broadcast within the United States by the 1948 Smith Mundt-Act, Section 501 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Excerpt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Excerp...
- mschuster91 9y ago> * The US manufactures and exports cigarettes and pharmaceuticals, but tightly regulates them at home. Add alcohol and gambling to the list there, and I'm not sure if pharma should be on it given the opioid rise...
- leggomylibro 9y agoPretty sure that alcohol and gambling are fairly global vices...
- mschuster91 9y agoYeah but the extremely hypocritical view on alcohol and gambling in the US (IIRC it's legal in some states to drive a full blown semi truck at 20 while beer drinking age is 21 - and gambling... well Vegas and the Native reservations, but that's it, contrasted to the crackdowns on fully foreign online gambling venues and even their banks, even if they don't do US business!) warrant a separate mention IMO.
- gph 9y agoWhat view on alcohol and gambling? Who is being hypocritical? There's a huge range of views on both subjects, and no single view is going to be used as canon between the many various human organizations that shape public opinion and the institutions that enact laws and regulation. You're basically personifying a collective of individuals. There is no single 'view' on alcohol and gambling. You're just cherry picking the view of the moral right and calling it hypocritical as if it's the official view of the US.
- jstarfish 9y agoI'd add it to the list if I understood your position better. To my knowledge the US isn't in the business of foisting gambling products or services on other countries, even if it is highly regulated domestically.
- jstarfish 9y agoThe opioid rise is a problem, but the fact that we do still have tight regulation is what distinguishes US pharmacies from pharmacies abroad. I can't (yet) walk into CVS and arbitrarily buy Vicodin, Xanax, or Ambien in the US because we know how dangerous it is and regulate it. In other countries, it's shockingly easy to get.
- freedom_ezpz 9y agoUS doesnt manufacture cigs and pharms. Companies do that. Those companies are subject to the law of the conutries they sell their products too. If the French want to allow 16yr olds to drink whiskey. So be it. (not sure if thats the law, but the French like their livations) You make a long list and each point is intellectual dishonest. Do a little research. You are on HN not facebook. We have standards of intelligence here. I dont think this list meets those standards.
- jack9 9y agoUS Companies do that. You're trying to split hairs to start an ideological argument. It's the US insofar as the US (as a regulatory entity) could stop it. There are caveats to both "the Chinese" and "the US" which are only monolithic in concept. This isn't insight.
- mirekrusin 9y agoWe all agree that hypocrisy is not good, right? Or am I missing something?
- jstarfish 9y agoIt's a comment, not a thesis statement. Replace "US" with "US-based companies" if it makes you feel better.
- hkmurakami 9y agoIIRC Pachinko (the ubiquitous gambling slot machines in Japan) were invented in South Korea but are now banned in SK. I would imagine there are still exports from SK, or at least SK ownership of Japanese corporations in the industry.
- open_bear 9y ago* US spreads propaganda and lies around the globe (Voice of America) but doesn't like it when RT does the same.
- amai 9y agoThis is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism .