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I googled to find out who Dale is, and saw that he issued an apology over Twitter and linked to the open note on Makezine: https://makezine.com/2017/11/06/open-

I googled to find out who Dale is, and saw that he issued an apology over Twitter and linked to the open note on Makezine: https://makezine.com/2017/11/06/open-note-to-naomi-wu/ https://makezine.com/2017/11/06/open-note-to-naomi-wu/

rhcom2 9y ago
It would be nice if he expanded on the "valuable lesson" he learned so it didn't feel like handwringing to save face.
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  There are certain protected classes which are not allowed to be questioned, unless you want to be a social pariah, because of patriarchy or something.
  - sctb 9y ago
    We've already asked you not to troll, so could you please stop? The difference between trolling and discussing is whether or not you've met the bar of information over provocation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - oh_sigh 9y ago
      I was giving my perhaps cynical take on the question, but it was not trolling or attempting to be provocative. I work in a biG tech company and have seen first hand people be bullied, shunned, and placed on informal 'do-not-work-with' lists by managers not just for holding disgusting views, but also for holding not-quite-Liberal-enough views. Also, holding views which are okay to express generally, but wrong to express more specifically about a single class(say, women). This controversy would not be happening if a random fat dude was accused of faking building things. It's only because this story includes a female, and therefore ties into some subset of society's obsession with gender and race issues that we are discussing this.
steveklabnik 9y ago
This is addressed in the article; see the part saying > Although Dale had issued a public apology about the rumors, the apology fixes her reputation as much as saying “sorry” repairs a vase smashed on the floor. The article generally discusses why this situation is asymmetric, and the power dynamics at play.
user982 9y ago
He's using his self-initiated shitstorm to advertise his site and event.
cmiles74 9y ago
I also found this apology to be pretty weak sauce. Obviously the damage can't be undone, but why not take a stab at trying? He owes it to this person, after all. Things I dislike: - The actual apology is one sentence long - He doesn't state what he did wrong - He doesn't acknowledge the harm he has caused - It's not clear he's learned anything from this event https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-be-grown/201206/how-craft-the-perfect-apology https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-be-grown/201206/how...
- ScottBurson 9y ago
  This piece on the apology includes a response from Ms. Wu making similar points: https://thenextweb.com/asia/2017/11/07/make-magazine-founder-apologizes-after-accusing-chinese-maker-of-being-not-a-real-person/ https://thenextweb.com/asia/2017/11/07/make-magazine-founder...
- penistives 9y ago
  It's the classic, "I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings" apology.

rhcom2 9y ago

It would be nice if he expanded on the "valuable lesson" he learned so it didn't feel like handwringing to save face.

oh_sigh 9y ago
There are certain protected classes which are not allowed to be questioned, unless you want to be a social pariah, because of patriarchy or something.
- sctb 9y ago
  We've already asked you not to troll, so could you please stop? The difference between trolling and discussing is whether or not you've met the bar of information over provocation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - oh_sigh 9y ago
    I was giving my perhaps cynical take on the question, but it was not trolling or attempting to be provocative. I work in a biG tech company and have seen first hand people be bullied, shunned, and placed on informal 'do-not-work-with' lists by managers not just for holding disgusting views, but also for holding not-quite-Liberal-enough views. Also, holding views which are okay to express generally, but wrong to express more specifically about a single class(say, women). This controversy would not be happening if a random fat dude was accused of faking building things. It's only because this story includes a female, and therefore ties into some subset of society's obsession with gender and race issues that we are discussing this.

steveklabnik 9y ago

This is addressed in the article; see the part saying > Although Dale had issued a public apology about the rumors, the apology fixes her reputation as much as saying “sorry” repairs a vase smashed on the floor. The article generally discusses why this situation is asymmetric, and the power dynamics at play.

user982 9y ago

He's using his self-initiated shitstorm to advertise his site and event.

cmiles74 9y ago

I also found this apology to be pretty weak sauce. Obviously the damage can't be undone, but why not take a stab at trying? He owes it to this person, after all. Things I dislike: - The actual apology is one sentence long - He doesn't state what he did wrong - He doesn't acknowledge the harm he has caused - It's not clear he's learned anything from this event https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-be-grown/201206/how-craft-the-perfect-apology https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-be-grown/201206/how...

ScottBurson 9y ago
This piece on the apology includes a response from Ms. Wu making similar points: https://thenextweb.com/asia/2017/11/07/make-magazine-founder-apologizes-after-accusing-chinese-maker-of-being-not-a-real-person/ https://thenextweb.com/asia/2017/11/07/make-magazine-founder...
penistives 9y ago
It's the classic, "I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings" apology.