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I don't understand, why wouldn't the Dropbox employees be entitled to a field they reserved fairly in advance? If anything the Parks and Recs department is at

I don't understand, why wouldn't the Dropbox employees be entitled to a field they reserved fairly in advance? If anything the Parks and Recs department is at fault for not making rules clearer. Using money to push others out is poor behavior, but so is using the tired 'how long you've lived in SF' (like one of the people mentioned in that video). Once again 'techie' hate is misguided and most of the scorn should be focused on city hall for poor policy.

gerbilly 9y ago
> Using money to push others out is poor behavior, but so is using the tired 'how long you've lived in SF' IMHO $27 gives the the tech workers a lot less claim to that field than the entire lives that the kids have lived there, regardless of the piece of paper. If they didn't want to play pickup, then the right thing to do is to go and play on the dropbox campus. It's not fair or logical, but it's the right to do. I'm sure with the billions of dollars the company has it can build it's workers their own football pitch.
- saiya-jin 9y ago
  > IMHO $27 gives the the tech workers a lot less claim to that field than the entire lives that the kids have lived there, regardless of the piece of paper. WTF? Either you have a system with rules and law (which can prioritize kids, or not), or you have some random mess where, based on current emotions stemming from some articles, rules can be bypassed, skipped and avoided because... something. Would you like to be treated unfairly when filling for taxes compared to some 'local'? I presume no. You know, treating every human being as equal and whatnot... some old school notions I see
- quotemstr 9y ago
  Living somewhere for a while gives you no special claim to that location.
  - mcguire 9y ago
    Humanity seems to disagree, almost universally.
- michaelt 9y ago
  If they didn't want to play pickup, then the right thing to do is to go and play on the dropbox campus. When it comes to busses, people don't seem keen on tech companies having their own private facilities no-one else gets to use.
  - gerbilly 9y ago
    > people don't seem keen on tech companies having their own private facilities no-one else gets to use. I agree, so it seems to bring things back full circle: just play pickup with the local kids, have a good time and make friends.
- BeetleB 9y ago
  >It's not fair or logical, but it's the right to do It's not fair, but it's right? At this stage, what do those words even mean? It very much seems you have your desired outcome firmly in your mind, and are merely playing verbal gymnastics. Why are we advocating for something that we are agreeing is unfair? Just imagine the phrase being used for all manner of unfair acts that society at the time deemed to be "right".
  - gerbilly 9y ago
    There are two instances of unfair. It's unfair for the dropbox guys to lose $27 on the permit. But it's also unfair to have your neighbourhood change too quickly for you to be able to adapt and continue living there. What I'm saying is that there are moral categories to strive for beyond fairness. IMHO, humans are too caught up on fairness. In a way nothing is 'fair'. Morality has to be situational, and trying to impose a top down moral framework is only a necessary evil. We should strive to do the right thing in the moment. If you want moral certainty, then you'll never get it. No one can give you that.
    - BeetleB 9y ago
      >We should strive to do the right thing in the moment That's both a circular statement, and an ambiguous one. Both sides were doing the right thing at the moment. The only party that was clearly in the wrong were the people who were renting out the space. The reason this whole thread exists is that there is not a consensus on what the "right" behavior should have been. Pretending there was one right way to go is adding to the disconnect and gap between the two parties.
      - gerbilly 9y ago
        Maybe it's not the 'right' way, but to it seems like there was an attractive alternative (play pickup with the local guys) that could have had a transformative effect on the situation. Perhaps you're hung up on my using the 'right thing' in my earlier post. Hey, I'm speaking colloquially here as most of us are. I could have rewritten that using formal logic symbols perhaps, but the no one would read it. The crux of my argument is that there was an opportunity to look beyond who had the 'right' to play on that field at that time.

gerbilly 9y ago

> Using money to push others out is poor behavior, but so is using the tired 'how long you've lived in SF' IMHO $27 gives the the tech workers a lot less claim to that field than the entire lives that the kids have lived there, regardless of the piece of paper. If they didn't want to play pickup, then the right thing to do is to go and play on the dropbox campus. It's not fair or logical, but it's the right to do. I'm sure with the billions of dollars the company has it can build it's workers their own football pitch.

saiya-jin 9y ago
> IMHO $27 gives the the tech workers a lot less claim to that field than the entire lives that the kids have lived there, regardless of the piece of paper. WTF? Either you have a system with rules and law (which can prioritize kids, or not), or you have some random mess where, based on current emotions stemming from some articles, rules can be bypassed, skipped and avoided because... something. Would you like to be treated unfairly when filling for taxes compared to some 'local'? I presume no. You know, treating every human being as equal and whatnot... some old school notions I see
quotemstr 9y ago
Living somewhere for a while gives you no special claim to that location.
- mcguire 9y ago
  Humanity seems to disagree, almost universally.
michaelt 9y ago
If they didn't want to play pickup, then the right thing to do is to go and play on the dropbox campus. When it comes to busses, people don't seem keen on tech companies having their own private facilities no-one else gets to use.
- gerbilly 9y ago
  > people don't seem keen on tech companies having their own private facilities no-one else gets to use. I agree, so it seems to bring things back full circle: just play pickup with the local kids, have a good time and make friends.
BeetleB 9y ago
>It's not fair or logical, but it's the right to do It's not fair, but it's right? At this stage, what do those words even mean? It very much seems you have your desired outcome firmly in your mind, and are merely playing verbal gymnastics. Why are we advocating for something that we are agreeing is unfair? Just imagine the phrase being used for all manner of unfair acts that society at the time deemed to be "right".
- gerbilly 9y ago
  There are two instances of unfair. It's unfair for the dropbox guys to lose $27 on the permit. But it's also unfair to have your neighbourhood change too quickly for you to be able to adapt and continue living there. What I'm saying is that there are moral categories to strive for beyond fairness. IMHO, humans are too caught up on fairness. In a way nothing is 'fair'. Morality has to be situational, and trying to impose a top down moral framework is only a necessary evil. We should strive to do the right thing in the moment. If you want moral certainty, then you'll never get it. No one can give you that.
  - BeetleB 9y ago
    >We should strive to do the right thing in the moment That's both a circular statement, and an ambiguous one. Both sides were doing the right thing at the moment. The only party that was clearly in the wrong were the people who were renting out the space. The reason this whole thread exists is that there is not a consensus on what the "right" behavior should have been. Pretending there was one right way to go is adding to the disconnect and gap between the two parties.
    - gerbilly 9y ago
      Maybe it's not the 'right' way, but to it seems like there was an attractive alternative (play pickup with the local guys) that could have had a transformative effect on the situation. Perhaps you're hung up on my using the 'right thing' in my earlier post. Hey, I'm speaking colloquially here as most of us are. I could have rewritten that using formal logic symbols perhaps, but the no one would read it. The crux of my argument is that there was an opportunity to look beyond who had the 'right' to play on that field at that time.