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This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

barrkel 9y ago
Maximized browsers on wide screen monitors aren't very usable though, you end up with loads of pointless whitespace. The browser works best with a roughly square viewport on 1080p, or tending towards portrait on 1440p.
- jvzr 9y ago
  Good reason to use Firefox then, and its ability to have side tabs: https://imgur.com/a/L9plD https://imgur.com/a/L9plD
  - solnyshok 9y ago
    how did you get there? I installed treestyle on ff57 and top tabs are still there, in addition to vertical tabs
    - aembleton 9y ago
      1. Navigate to your profile folder [1]. 2. cd chrome or create the directory if it isn't there 3. Inside chrome, open userChrome.css or create it if it isn't there 4. Paste the following: @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } 5. Restart Firefox --- 1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigating_to_the_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigatin...
      - mmastrac 9y ago
        I've been running the side-bar version of tab center with this userChrome.css fix but the best I can say about it is that it's "alright". The window close/max/min buttons are just not positioned very well on macOS. Also, if you hide the sidebar header I think you run the risk of accidentally opening the bookmarks sidebar and being unable to get back to your tabs.
  - seba_dos1 9y ago
    Oh, absolutely. It seemed that I would have to say goodbye to Tab Center with 57 and was very unhappy with it, but thankfully it turned out that I was able to make it even better than before. userChrome.css rocks :) https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203716.png https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203716.png https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203804.png https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203804.png
jraph 9y ago
I wondered the same thing a while ago and I would think this is to ease dragging the window with the mouse, which you may want to do easily when the window is not maximized. I'd really like Firefox on Linux to hide the window title bar (at least when maximized) and put the close / maximize / reduce buttons in the tab bar (or make it an option). The tab bar does already allow one to move the window, at least on KDE. Then, Firefox could adopt the same kind of behavior as Chrome for this.
- tkp 9y ago
  On debian with gnome, installing "maximus" package should hide title bar when maximized, works well here !
  - jraph 9y ago
    Thanks for the tip. I didn't know maximus. Actually, kwin does allow writing rules that do exactly that. However, this removes window management buttons, which I don't use often but do like to have. Extensions did that but are not compatible anymore ans never really had an integrated look. I recognize this is mostly feelings though
- thinkingemote 9y ago
  There is a Firefox legacy extension that does just this. Hide Caption Bar Plus. It might not work with this new Firefox as he APIs to control the UI are not exposed as they once were. I use it all the time on my laptops
- jorvi 9y ago
  I still think Safari has the best implementation of any browser. Coincidentally this (maximizing) is also why bottom tabs is a much saner choice. Normal window: https://i.imgur.com/WMfJMPC.png https://i.imgur.com/WMfJMPC.png Fullscreen: https://i.imgur.com/4iVPNzQ.png https://i.imgur.com/4iVPNzQ.png Fullscreen with mouse at top of screen: https://i.imgur.com/hjC7Qgk.png https://i.imgur.com/hjC7Qgk.png
- javitury 9y ago
  Last mont Fedora had a release in which you could use CSD to merge the title and the tab bars. You only had to set a variable(maybe widget.allow-client-side-decoration?) in about:config to true. They took that option away because some bugs but it may arrive for the next firefox release. Here is how it looks like https://twitter.com/Sesivany/status/908628645299748865 https://twitter.com/Sesivany/status/908628645299748865
smichel17 9y ago
Amusingly, it seems neither you nor the grandparent comment have the interface set to `compact`.
- suprfnk 9y ago
  True. I didn't know that that setting exists. That could be part of the problem, ofcourse.
- marksellers 9y ago
  Ah, well, when you Google for "smaller firefox [interface/menus]" you just get results like: "How to make the menus in Firefox larger" (no thanks) "How to install a compact theme in Firefox" (which doesn't really help) Thanks though! Between your response and notes on how much more responsive the new FF is, I'll give it yet another shot. :)
semperdark 9y ago
You're not on the most compact density though. That circle around the back button only appears on the "Normal" and "Touch" densities. Right click the menu bar, hit "Customize", and you can change the density to "Compact" under the density dropdown at the bottom.
- suprfnk 9y ago
  Hey, I didn't know about that. That's great actually! Thanks. Though this doesn't help with the 'feeling' for new users, as the normal setting is a default.
nachtigall 9y ago
As sibling said: Change the tab 'density' in Firefox from 'normal' to 'compact' under Customize > Density (at bottom).
KozmoNau7 9y ago
> When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Firefox does the same thing. You can also choose whether you want "drag space" or not on non-maximized windows, or even an old-fashioned title bar. It's all in the customize option (where you can also switch to the compact theme). FF takes up less UI space than Chrome, when the compact theme is used.
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barrkel 9y ago

Maximized browsers on wide screen monitors aren't very usable though, you end up with loads of pointless whitespace. The browser works best with a roughly square viewport on 1080p, or tending towards portrait on 1440p.

jvzr 9y ago
Good reason to use Firefox then, and its ability to have side tabs: https://imgur.com/a/L9plD https://imgur.com/a/L9plD
- solnyshok 9y ago
  how did you get there? I installed treestyle on ff57 and top tabs are still there, in addition to vertical tabs
  - aembleton 9y ago
    1. Navigate to your profile folder [1]. 2. cd chrome or create the directory if it isn't there 3. Inside chrome, open userChrome.css or create it if it isn't there 4. Paste the following: @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } 5. Restart Firefox --- 1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigating_to_the_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigatin...
    - mmastrac 9y ago
      I've been running the side-bar version of tab center with this userChrome.css fix but the best I can say about it is that it's "alright". The window close/max/min buttons are just not positioned very well on macOS. Also, if you hide the sidebar header I think you run the risk of accidentally opening the bookmarks sidebar and being unable to get back to your tabs.
- seba_dos1 9y ago
  Oh, absolutely. It seemed that I would have to say goodbye to Tab Center with 57 and was very unhappy with it, but thankfully it turned out that I was able to make it even better than before. userChrome.css rocks :) https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203716.png https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203716.png https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203804.png https://dosowisko.net/Screenshot_20171030_203804.png

jraph 9y ago

I wondered the same thing a while ago and I would think this is to ease dragging the window with the mouse, which you may want to do easily when the window is not maximized. I'd really like Firefox on Linux to hide the window title bar (at least when maximized) and put the close / maximize / reduce buttons in the tab bar (or make it an option). The tab bar does already allow one to move the window, at least on KDE. Then, Firefox could adopt the same kind of behavior as Chrome for this.

tkp 9y ago
On debian with gnome, installing "maximus" package should hide title bar when maximized, works well here !
- jraph 9y ago
  Thanks for the tip. I didn't know maximus. Actually, kwin does allow writing rules that do exactly that. However, this removes window management buttons, which I don't use often but do like to have. Extensions did that but are not compatible anymore ans never really had an integrated look. I recognize this is mostly feelings though
thinkingemote 9y ago
There is a Firefox legacy extension that does just this. Hide Caption Bar Plus. It might not work with this new Firefox as he APIs to control the UI are not exposed as they once were. I use it all the time on my laptops
jorvi 9y ago
I still think Safari has the best implementation of any browser. Coincidentally this (maximizing) is also why bottom tabs is a much saner choice. Normal window: https://i.imgur.com/WMfJMPC.png https://i.imgur.com/WMfJMPC.png Fullscreen: https://i.imgur.com/4iVPNzQ.png https://i.imgur.com/4iVPNzQ.png Fullscreen with mouse at top of screen: https://i.imgur.com/hjC7Qgk.png https://i.imgur.com/hjC7Qgk.png
javitury 9y ago
Last mont Fedora had a release in which you could use CSD to merge the title and the tab bars. You only had to set a variable(maybe widget.allow-client-side-decoration?) in about:config to true. They took that option away because some bugs but it may arrive for the next firefox release. Here is how it looks like https://twitter.com/Sesivany/status/908628645299748865 https://twitter.com/Sesivany/status/908628645299748865

smichel17 9y ago

Amusingly, it seems neither you nor the grandparent comment have the interface set to `compact`.

suprfnk 9y ago
True. I didn't know that that setting exists. That could be part of the problem, ofcourse.
marksellers 9y ago
Ah, well, when you Google for "smaller firefox [interface/menus]" you just get results like: "How to make the menus in Firefox larger" (no thanks) "How to install a compact theme in Firefox" (which doesn't really help) Thanks though! Between your response and notes on how much more responsive the new FF is, I'll give it yet another shot. :)

semperdark 9y ago

You're not on the most compact density though. That circle around the back button only appears on the "Normal" and "Touch" densities. Right click the menu bar, hit "Customize", and you can change the density to "Compact" under the density dropdown at the bottom.

suprfnk 9y ago
Hey, I didn't know about that. That's great actually! Thanks. Though this doesn't help with the 'feeling' for new users, as the normal setting is a default.

nachtigall 9y ago

As sibling said: Change the tab 'density' in Firefox from 'normal' to 'compact' under Customize > Density (at bottom).

KozmoNau7 9y ago

> When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Firefox does the same thing. You can also choose whether you want "drag space" or not on non-maximized windows, or even an old-fashioned title bar. It's all in the customize option (where you can also switch to the compact theme). FF takes up less UI space than Chrome, when the compact theme is used.

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