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Got to chuckle when articles like this appear. Essentially it means this: I paid my taxes, you haven't. Translated it means ( in my opinion): I got robbed, bu

Got to chuckle when articles like this appear. Essentially it means this: I paid my taxes, you haven't. Translated it means ( in my opinion): I got robbed, but you didn't get robbed, and I feel envious of you. Taxes are an extortion by the government and it is fair game that anyone should try and evade it legally or otherwise. Extortion cannot be justified even if some of the money is used to deliver useful services to the people who have to part with the money. Summary: people get the government that they deserve.

soVeryTired 9y ago
Let me guess. You're in favour of private healthcare, private security, private education, and no social safety net. In short, nothing to aid social mobility, and nothing to restrain powerful people who have gained the upper hand. You know, to some of us, that libertarian utopia sounds like a fucking nightmare.
- dennis_jeeves 9y ago
  >You know, to some of us, that libertarian utopia sounds like a fucking nightmare. Correct, nobody is obliged to help you. What a sense of entitlement! So your only option is go ahead ask your government to arm twist rich people into funding your healthcare etc. ( and the rich includes the ones that have both legitimately and illegitimately obtained wealth).
  - ionised 9y ago
    > Correct, nobody is obliged to help you. What a sense of entitlement! Actually, they are. It's an innate instinctual behaviour inherent in all healthy human beings and we are social creatures that have succeeded through co-operation. If you have never felt the urge to help someone, prevent abuses and exploitation you might actually be a sociopath. In the wild, members of social species that don't conform to this become outcasts and eventually die off as they cannot contribute to the group. It's an evolutionary weakness. People like you try to wax philosophical about self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, but it's simple greed masquerading as some kind of stoicism and self-reliance. The simple fact is, neither you nor Apple nor anyone else in this vein has made their living without the benefits and support that a tax-paying society has afforded you. Considering especially that it is people like you that espouse this naive view of the world and your support for companies like this engaging in these socially-damaging practices, it is interesting that it also happens to be these very same 'captains of industry' that receive all manner of corporate welfare, bailouts and handouts. Privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Capitalism when you are winning, socialism when you are losing. It's interesting how that works isn't it? Almost like it isn't some kind of profound personal philosophy, but rather just simple greed.
    - dennis_jeeves 9y ago
      >Actually, they are. >It's an innate instinctual behaviour inherent in all healthy human beings and we are social creatures that have succeeded through co-operation. If you have never felt the urge to help someone, prevent abuses and exploitation you might actually be a sociopath. Agreed it's all innate as you said. But think of it for a moment. If a poor man forces me to part with my money, I sure won't be happy. I would tell him to fk off. But if I voluntarily donate, that is another story. No one should be allowed to calibrate my urge of having to have to help someone though force(taxes), it's my decision entirely. >People like you try to wax philosophical about self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, You are putting words in my mouth. Stop that.

soVeryTired 9y ago

Let me guess. You're in favour of private healthcare, private security, private education, and no social safety net. In short, nothing to aid social mobility, and nothing to restrain powerful people who have gained the upper hand. You know, to some of us, that libertarian utopia sounds like a fucking nightmare.

dennis_jeeves 9y ago
>You know, to some of us, that libertarian utopia sounds like a fucking nightmare. Correct, nobody is obliged to help you. What a sense of entitlement! So your only option is go ahead ask your government to arm twist rich people into funding your healthcare etc. ( and the rich includes the ones that have both legitimately and illegitimately obtained wealth).
- ionised 9y ago
  > Correct, nobody is obliged to help you. What a sense of entitlement! Actually, they are. It's an innate instinctual behaviour inherent in all healthy human beings and we are social creatures that have succeeded through co-operation. If you have never felt the urge to help someone, prevent abuses and exploitation you might actually be a sociopath. In the wild, members of social species that don't conform to this become outcasts and eventually die off as they cannot contribute to the group. It's an evolutionary weakness. People like you try to wax philosophical about self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, but it's simple greed masquerading as some kind of stoicism and self-reliance. The simple fact is, neither you nor Apple nor anyone else in this vein has made their living without the benefits and support that a tax-paying society has afforded you. Considering especially that it is people like you that espouse this naive view of the world and your support for companies like this engaging in these socially-damaging practices, it is interesting that it also happens to be these very same 'captains of industry' that receive all manner of corporate welfare, bailouts and handouts. Privatise the profits, socialise the losses. Capitalism when you are winning, socialism when you are losing. It's interesting how that works isn't it? Almost like it isn't some kind of profound personal philosophy, but rather just simple greed.
  - dennis_jeeves 9y ago
    >Actually, they are. >It's an innate instinctual behaviour inherent in all healthy human beings and we are social creatures that have succeeded through co-operation. If you have never felt the urge to help someone, prevent abuses and exploitation you might actually be a sociopath. Agreed it's all innate as you said. But think of it for a moment. If a poor man forces me to part with my money, I sure won't be happy. I would tell him to fk off. But if I voluntarily donate, that is another story. No one should be allowed to calibrate my urge of having to have to help someone though force(taxes), it's my decision entirely. >People like you try to wax philosophical about self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, You are putting words in my mouth. Stop that.