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https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png A screenshot from my screen just now, running FF58 and Chrome side by side. Firefox's menu bar

by imple 9y ago

https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png A screenshot from my screen just now, running FF58 and Chrome side by side. Firefox's menu bar is smaller.

agumonkey 9y ago
It's probably a subjective proportion thing. Pure metrics aren't necessary what people "measure", maybe the border above tabs is not seen as wasted space. Same for perf, Firefox might be faster in tests, but chrome has an overall feel of speed is "better".
- Santosh83 9y ago
  Certainly not the case as far as opening new tabs goes on my machine, an 1.9Ghz with 4Gb RAM. Firefox opens the new tab instantly while Chrome has a noticeable delay. The same with closing tabs, especially heavy ones. Also Chrome takes just a little bit longer to start than the latest Firefox, although I didn't actually measure this. I think the general perception that Chrome is fast is more a group-think at this point, fostered by a few years of sub-par Firefox performance combined with aggressive Google marketing. There's no real difference since the last few versions of Firefox vs. Chrome.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    Trust me, I use "old" core 2 machines, right now on a 1st gen i5 and I regularly cringe at firefox, whenever I run chrome, something lifts off my mind. I don't charge firefox, it was resetted non long ago, ublock origin and containers (I removed youtube extensions and the likes). Still twitter hungs enough for me to feel annoyed. I'm not a speed addict, I even love slowness when done right [1], but I rate firefox nightly a little below chrome (stable or canary) at that point. [1] I use an HP48 calculator, the thing was slower in terms of UI than all its competition but it was such a nice ux design you rarely care about it.
    - terminalcommand 9y ago
      Did you try firefox quantum? I am also using an "old" machine, first gen i7 mobile processor. Firefox (pre-quantum) was slow for me on windows so I switched to Chrome. But firefox quantum was equally fast if not faster. Now, I am using firefox 56 on OpenBSD, and it is really really smooth.
      - agumonkey 9y ago
        I assumed Quantum was in Nightly (58) isn't it ?
        steveklabnik 9y ago
        > Nightly (58) It depends on when you ran nightly; Quantum is the name for 57+. Sounds like you were using it.
        agumonkey 9y ago
        That was my understanding too. And as other reported that maybe it was use case dependant, loading imgur front page is harsh, no need for video, webgl or anything too fancy. And of course it's much less the case if at all under chrome. I wish I had tools and knowledge to analyse the perf/stack locally, really.
marksellers 9y ago
Thanks! Hadn't tried on Windows.
suprfnk 9y ago
This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png
- barrkel 9y ago
  Maximized browsers on wide screen monitors aren't very usable though, you end up with loads of pointless whitespace. The browser works best with a roughly square viewport on 1080p, or tending towards portrait on 1440p.
  - jvzr 9y ago
    Good reason to use Firefox then, and its ability to have side tabs: https://imgur.com/a/L9plD https://imgur.com/a/L9plD
    - solnyshok 9y ago
      how did you get there? I installed treestyle on ff57 and top tabs are still there, in addition to vertical tabs
      - aembleton 9y ago
        1. Navigate to your profile folder [1]. 2. cd chrome or create the directory if it isn't there 3. Inside chrome, open userChrome.css or create it if it isn't there 4. Paste the following: @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } 5. Restart Firefox --- 1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigating_to_the_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigatin...
        9y ago
fiatjaf 9y ago
This is from pre-57 versions, right? I'm on 58 and it is much smaller than that.
- suprfnk 9y ago
  > running FF58

by imple 9y ago

https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png A screenshot from my screen just now, running FF58 and Chrome side by side. Firefox's menu bar is smaller.

agumonkey 9y ago

It's probably a subjective proportion thing. Pure metrics aren't necessary what people "measure", maybe the border above tabs is not seen as wasted space. Same for perf, Firefox might be faster in tests, but chrome has an overall feel of speed is "better".

Santosh83 9y ago
Certainly not the case as far as opening new tabs goes on my machine, an 1.9Ghz with 4Gb RAM. Firefox opens the new tab instantly while Chrome has a noticeable delay. The same with closing tabs, especially heavy ones. Also Chrome takes just a little bit longer to start than the latest Firefox, although I didn't actually measure this. I think the general perception that Chrome is fast is more a group-think at this point, fostered by a few years of sub-par Firefox performance combined with aggressive Google marketing. There's no real difference since the last few versions of Firefox vs. Chrome.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  Trust me, I use "old" core 2 machines, right now on a 1st gen i5 and I regularly cringe at firefox, whenever I run chrome, something lifts off my mind. I don't charge firefox, it was resetted non long ago, ublock origin and containers (I removed youtube extensions and the likes). Still twitter hungs enough for me to feel annoyed. I'm not a speed addict, I even love slowness when done right [1], but I rate firefox nightly a little below chrome (stable or canary) at that point. [1] I use an HP48 calculator, the thing was slower in terms of UI than all its competition but it was such a nice ux design you rarely care about it.
  - terminalcommand 9y ago
    Did you try firefox quantum? I am also using an "old" machine, first gen i7 mobile processor. Firefox (pre-quantum) was slow for me on windows so I switched to Chrome. But firefox quantum was equally fast if not faster. Now, I am using firefox 56 on OpenBSD, and it is really really smooth.
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      I assumed Quantum was in Nightly (58) isn't it ?
      - steveklabnik 9y ago
        > Nightly (58) It depends on when you ran nightly; Quantum is the name for 57+. Sounds like you were using it.
        agumonkey 9y ago
        That was my understanding too. And as other reported that maybe it was use case dependant, loading imgur front page is harsh, no need for video, webgl or anything too fancy. And of course it's much less the case if at all under chrome. I wish I had tools and knowledge to analyse the perf/stack locally, really.

marksellers 9y ago

Thanks! Hadn't tried on Windows.

suprfnk 9y ago

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

barrkel 9y ago
Maximized browsers on wide screen monitors aren't very usable though, you end up with loads of pointless whitespace. The browser works best with a roughly square viewport on 1080p, or tending towards portrait on 1440p.
- jvzr 9y ago
  Good reason to use Firefox then, and its ability to have side tabs: https://imgur.com/a/L9plD https://imgur.com/a/L9plD
  - solnyshok 9y ago
    how did you get there? I installed treestyle on ff57 and top tabs are still there, in addition to vertical tabs
    - aembleton 9y ago
      1. Navigate to your profile folder [1]. 2. cd chrome or create the directory if it isn't there 3. Inside chrome, open userChrome.css or create it if it isn't there 4. Paste the following: @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } 5. Restart Firefox --- 1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigating_to_the_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigatin...
      - 9y ago

fiatjaf 9y ago

This is from pre-57 versions, right? I'm on 58 and it is much smaller than that.

suprfnk 9y ago
> running FF58