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Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox: The menu bars are enormous even o
by marksellers 9y ago
Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox:
The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare.
When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query + ENTER and I'm pretty much there
- imple 9y agohttps://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png A screenshot from my screen just now, running FF58 and Chrome side by side. Firefox's menu bar is smaller.
- agumonkey 9y agoIt's probably a subjective proportion thing. Pure metrics aren't necessary what people "measure", maybe the border above tabs is not seen as wasted space. Same for perf, Firefox might be faster in tests, but chrome has an overall feel of speed is "better".
- Santosh83 9y agoCertainly not the case as far as opening new tabs goes on my machine, an 1.9Ghz with 4Gb RAM. Firefox opens the new tab instantly while Chrome has a noticeable delay. The same with closing tabs, especially heavy ones. Also Chrome takes just a little bit longer to start than the latest Firefox, although I didn't actually measure this. I think the general perception that Chrome is fast is more a group-think at this point, fostered by a few years of sub-par Firefox performance combined with aggressive Google marketing. There's no real difference since the last few versions of Firefox vs. Chrome.
- agumonkey 9y agoTrust me, I use "old" core 2 machines, right now on a 1st gen i5 and I regularly cringe at firefox, whenever I run chrome, something lifts off my mind. I don't charge firefox, it was resetted non long ago, ublock origin and containers (I removed youtube extensions and the likes). Still twitter hungs enough for me to feel annoyed. I'm not a speed addict, I even love slowness when done right [1], but I rate firefox nightly a little below chrome (stable or canary) at that point. [1] I use an HP48 calculator, the thing was slower in terms of UI than all its competition but it was such a nice ux design you rarely care about it.
- terminalcommand 9y agoDid you try firefox quantum? I am also using an "old" machine, first gen i7 mobile processor. Firefox (pre-quantum) was slow for me on windows so I switched to Chrome. But firefox quantum was equally fast if not faster. Now, I am using firefox 56 on OpenBSD, and it is really really smooth.
- agumonkey 9y agoI assumed Quantum was in Nightly (58) isn't it ?
- steveklabnik 9y ago> Nightly (58) It depends on when you ran nightly; Quantum is the name for 57+. Sounds like you were using it.
- agumonkey 9y agoThat was my understanding too. And as other reported that maybe it was use case dependant, loading imgur front page is harsh, no need for video, webgl or anything too fancy. And of course it's much less the case if at all under chrome. I wish I had tools and knowledge to analyse the perf/stack locally, really.
- marksellers 9y agoThanks! Hadn't tried on Windows.
- suprfnk 9y agoThis is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png
- barrkel 9y agoMaximized browsers on wide screen monitors aren't very usable though, you end up with loads of pointless whitespace. The browser works best with a roughly square viewport on 1080p, or tending towards portrait on 1440p.
- jvzr 9y agoGood reason to use Firefox then, and its ability to have side tabs: https://imgur.com/a/L9plD https://imgur.com/a/L9plD
- solnyshok 9y agohow did you get there? I installed treestyle on ff57 and top tabs are still there, in addition to vertical tabs
- aembleton 9y ago1. Navigate to your profile folder [1]. 2. cd chrome or create the directory if it isn't there 3. Inside chrome, open userChrome.css or create it if it isn't there 4. Paste the following: @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } 5. Restart Firefox --- 1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigating_to_the_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Navigatin...
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- fiatjaf 9y agoThis is from pre-57 versions, right? I'm on 58 and it is much smaller than that.
- suprfnk 9y ago> running FF58
- daleharvey 9y agoI just tested Windows and OSX, when opening new tabs and windows the address bar gets focus
- marksellers 9y agoI guess it's just Linux then. Ah well, I hope you enjoy it anyway. I'm still going to donate to Mozilla at the end of the year. If nothing else, competition is great and their documentation is amazing.
- flohofwoe 9y agoLooks like in Firefox v56 you need to change the start page to "blank" in the preferences (edit: to get the address bar focused after opening a window). However in current Nightly (which is on v58) the input focus goes straight to the address bar, even in the default settings, so looks like more users complained ;) I'm just using Ctrl-L to focus the address bar, works on all operating systems and browsers.
- fiatjaf 9y agoOn Firefox 57 that is indeed solved.
- mariusmg 9y agoAlt +D. Left hand friendly :)
- whoisthemachine 9y agoF6 works as well in all OS's I've used (Linux Mint and Windows).
- alxlaz 9y agoAre you running Linux by any chance? For some reason, huge paddings are now very popular in GTK applications with... the result you mention. All GTK3 applications seem to have huge widgets for me, even with compact themes. Frankly, I stopped trying to solve this.
- marksellers 9y agoManjaro Cinnamon. I love everything else about it.
- JoshMnem 9y agoI don't know if it will work in the new version, but you might be able to customize that with CSS: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/959205 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/959205
- masklinn 9y ago> The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. This is what I get on OSX, latest Chrome v FDE Compact: https://i.imgur.com/TA62OAN.png https://i.imgur.com/TA62OAN.png
- thom_nic 9y agoCan you provide a link to that Firefox theme? I searched "FDE Compact" in mozilla themes and couldn't find what you appear to be using.
- bzbarsky 9y agoFDE is presumably Firefox Developer Edition. What you get by downloading from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/ "Compact" is the built-in compact styling. Right-click (or otherwise context-click) on the toolbar, select "Customize.." and near the bottom there is a "Density" selector that you can set to "Compact". Note that this is somewhat independent of the color scheme used. I'm pretty sure that the "Compact" layout is available in beta 57 as well, not just developer edition. It's not in release 56, though; it was added for 57.
- masklinn 9y ago> FDE is presumably Firefox Developer Edition. > "Compact" is the built-in compact styling. Yes and yes
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- eumenides1 9y agoRe: vertical space Oh you sweet sweet summer child (i kid) Vertical tabs are the way to go. I use Tree Style Tabs (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...) and there is also Tab center, but the experiment has ended (https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/ https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/). You gain a whole tab height in space and only lose a constant amount of horizontal space. I manage a world where you can read the title of your tab as you open more. Long gone is the world your curiosity is punished! And the in the tree case, you can track where your tabs came from!
- marksellers 9y agoBut I also need the horizontal space! I very often tile windows side by side to allow developing while seeing the results, or while reading documentation. Maybe I'm just picky. I don't know. Chrome does the job pretty well though, even with the bookmarks bar turned on. A vertical tabs bar would make it impossible to use many sites, like GitHub.
- quesera 9y ago> A vertical tabs bar would make it impossible to use many sites, like GitHub. I use vertical tabs exclusively (for many, many years), and GitHub constantly. No problems whatsoever.
- marksellers 9y agoGitHub already deals with a window of half screenwidth poorly, as in requiring horizontal scrolling to see things. That's what I meant.
- kadal 9y agoWin tree style tabs you can autohide. Indo that to reduce distractions
- Siecje 9y agoWhat is Win + C + H + R? Is that just Win + R?
- dexterdexter 9y agoIt's for searching by app name. Chrome will show up as the best match
- Sylos 9y agoPressing and releasing the Windows-Key will open up the menu and then he types in "Chr" to search for Chrome. Took me a moment, too...
- bwat49 9y ago> When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query + ENTER and I'm pretty much there This works for me with firefox 58/windows 10
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- cpeterso 9y ago> When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. Do you have a non-default home page? I can reproduce the problem with Firefox 58 on Windows 10 in my regular user profile but not a brand new profile. My regular user profile had a non-default home page URL. I'm not sure what the focus behavior should be in that case. If you set your home page to a website, would you still want the address bar to have focus?
- marksellers 9y agoAh, well, the default that comes on the distro was the culprit there. Fixed now. Thanks!