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So, we should all just ignore that Disney is attempting to use its might in order to completely bypass freedom of the press, and end oversight of what it's doin

So, we should all just ignore that Disney is attempting to use its might in order to completely bypass freedom of the press, and end oversight of what it's doing in the city council elections in Anaheim?

zaroth 9y ago
No I wouldn't suggest ignoring it, but I also would propose it's possible to respond in a way that's highly effective but yet not itself extortion. EDIT: Might I add -- can you please explain why you say Disney "is attempting to use its might in order to completely bypass freedom of the press, and end oversight of what it's doing in the city council elections in Anaheim"? At what point did Disney even come close to trying to take down the LA Times reporting, or imprison someone for reporting it, or somehow stop the oversight from happening? Clearly by trying to retaliate they only gave the story more legs. There was never a question of LA Times retracting their story. And "freedom of the press" doesn't mean that companies can't restrict access to their own products in response to negative coverage. Upthread someone mentioned Apple did something very similar with iPhone X. Companies provide favorable access to favorable journalists all the time. To me, it was the MSM retaliation which raised an eyebrow. And again, maybe they did it for good cause, but it was eyebrow-raising [to me] none the less.
- rhizome 9y ago
  What about a parent who tells their kid they can't have dessert unless they eat their vegetables, is that extortion too?
  - zaroth 9y ago
    So your position is that the news organizations are Disney's parent and legal guardian - and just looking out for their health and well being? Or less literally, you think the news organizations simply had to threaten Disney with potentially billions (nix that, it's actually just hundreds of millions) of dollars of lost revenue by being excluded from the awards ceremonies in order to restore LA Times access to pre-screenings. It doesn't concern you at all that they would collectively make that threat / wield that might? And this is all going on the assumption that the original LA Times reporting on Disney shenanigans in Anaheim was rock-solid and beyond reproach. Which of course I'm sure it was. Even still I remain suspicious when the MSM bands together to effectively threaten losses of hundreds of millions in revenue [1] to a company which they think is misbehaving. P.S. I feel like I'm in a weird rhetorical bubble here... I'd actually love it for someone to tell me exactly why I'm wrong without lobbing logical fallacies at me! [1] - http://www.businessinsider.com/oscarnomics-2013-how-much-is-oscar-really-worth-2013-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/oscarnomics-2013-how-much-is-...
    - Anechoic 9y ago
      Did the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences disqualify (or threaten to disqualify) Disney from award eligibility?
      - zaroth 9y ago
        TFA was vague it just said 'year end awards ceremonies' and I may have misunderstood -- maybe these are lower level awards? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOCXDauV4AAx4of.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOCXDauV4AAx4of.jpg
        rhizome 9y ago
        I read the story to mean that there are critics groups awards.

zaroth 9y ago

No I wouldn't suggest ignoring it, but I also would propose it's possible to respond in a way that's highly effective but yet not itself extortion. EDIT: Might I add -- can you please explain why you say Disney "is attempting to use its might in order to completely bypass freedom of the press, and end oversight of what it's doing in the city council elections in Anaheim"? At what point did Disney even come close to trying to take down the LA Times reporting, or imprison someone for reporting it, or somehow stop the oversight from happening? Clearly by trying to retaliate they only gave the story more legs. There was never a question of LA Times retracting their story. And "freedom of the press" doesn't mean that companies can't restrict access to their own products in response to negative coverage. Upthread someone mentioned Apple did something very similar with iPhone X. Companies provide favorable access to favorable journalists all the time. To me, it was the MSM retaliation which raised an eyebrow. And again, maybe they did it for good cause, but it was eyebrow-raising [to me] none the less.

rhizome 9y ago
What about a parent who tells their kid they can't have dessert unless they eat their vegetables, is that extortion too?
- zaroth 9y ago
  So your position is that the news organizations are Disney's parent and legal guardian - and just looking out for their health and well being? Or less literally, you think the news organizations simply had to threaten Disney with potentially billions (nix that, it's actually just hundreds of millions) of dollars of lost revenue by being excluded from the awards ceremonies in order to restore LA Times access to pre-screenings. It doesn't concern you at all that they would collectively make that threat / wield that might? And this is all going on the assumption that the original LA Times reporting on Disney shenanigans in Anaheim was rock-solid and beyond reproach. Which of course I'm sure it was. Even still I remain suspicious when the MSM bands together to effectively threaten losses of hundreds of millions in revenue [1] to a company which they think is misbehaving. P.S. I feel like I'm in a weird rhetorical bubble here... I'd actually love it for someone to tell me exactly why I'm wrong without lobbing logical fallacies at me! [1] - http://www.businessinsider.com/oscarnomics-2013-how-much-is-oscar-really-worth-2013-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/oscarnomics-2013-how-much-is-...
  - Anechoic 9y ago
    Did the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences disqualify (or threaten to disqualify) Disney from award eligibility?
    - zaroth 9y ago
      TFA was vague it just said 'year end awards ceremonies' and I may have misunderstood -- maybe these are lower level awards? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOCXDauV4AAx4of.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOCXDauV4AAx4of.jpg
      - rhizome 9y ago
        I read the story to mean that there are critics groups awards.