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Given final say on any bill rests with Trump himself (signature/veto when it reaches his desk etc), I'm not sure this distinction matters all that much. At any

by giobox 9y ago

Given final say on any bill rests with Trump himself (signature/veto when it reaches his desk etc), I'm not sure this distinction matters all that much. At any rate, the president is entirely free to propose a bill, and assuming he can find a congress person to back it (I'm guessing he knows a guy who knows a guy...), can have introduced in Congress. Even if Trump's team doesn't draft a new bill, the lobbying power of the Whitehouse alone on legislation in congress is huge - the threat of a veto alone is a compelling stick. I think its absurd to think Trump/the executive wouldn't influence the shape of any proposed legislation in this area, when its been such a public part of his campaign.

dmix 9y ago
It still has to first pass the hundreds of eyes in congress, that's the primary challenge of any bill. Vetoing is relatively rare and I doubt he would veto an immigration bill coming from a republican-majority congress... That said, I never said he had zero influence, but having influence on a congressional bill is a far cry from implying he wrote and proposed it himself.
- giobox 9y ago
  If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda, I'm not sure what else to say! I think most people are capable of understanding that when we talk about "Trump" performing a legislative act, we almost never mean he literally picks up pen and paper and writes the bill himself, or even directly proposes it.
  - dmix 9y ago
    > If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda, Again, I never said that, or that he writes it directly himself. This is why I don't debate politics on the internet. My point is the bill is primarily a congressional matter, and is not at the whims of just the president the way an executive order would be, as was suggested above.
    - giobox 9y ago
      > This is why I don't debate politics on the internet. This thread and your post history strongly suggest otherwise!
      - dmix 9y ago
        I post occasionally about political topics but I rarely engage in debates (the key word here). I find the other person usually just digs in their heels the more you reply...

by giobox 9y ago

dmix 9y ago

It still has to first pass the hundreds of eyes in congress, that's the primary challenge of any bill. Vetoing is relatively rare and I doubt he would veto an immigration bill coming from a republican-majority congress... That said, I never said he had zero influence, but having influence on a congressional bill is a far cry from implying he wrote and proposed it himself.

giobox 9y ago
If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda, I'm not sure what else to say! I think most people are capable of understanding that when we talk about "Trump" performing a legislative act, we almost never mean he literally picks up pen and paper and writes the bill himself, or even directly proposes it.
- dmix 9y ago
  > If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda, Again, I never said that, or that he writes it directly himself. This is why I don't debate politics on the internet. My point is the bill is primarily a congressional matter, and is not at the whims of just the president the way an executive order would be, as was suggested above.
  - giobox 9y ago
    > This is why I don't debate politics on the internet. This thread and your post history strongly suggest otherwise!
    - dmix 9y ago
      I post occasionally about political topics but I rarely engage in debates (the key word here). I find the other person usually just digs in their heels the more you reply...