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Every ATM and many shop keepers, hospitals, hotels, etc., all have cameras. They may not automatically be turned over to police, but if something happens, the
by tytso 9y ago
Every ATM and many shop keepers, hospitals, hotels, etc., all have cameras. They may not automatically be turned over to police, but if something happens, the police will often just go and see if there are any surveillance cameras and ask their owners to give them the recordings. Most of the time, they will be happy to do so, since they generally don't like crime happening outside their places of business.
So if you did a hit and run on me while on the road, and even if I didn't have a dash camera (there are drivers who do, and who keep them always recording because they want to be protected from the sort of anti-social behaviour you seem to be discussing), if I have a location and time/stamp, the police could easily try to see if there were any third-party surveillance cameras either at the scene of the crime, or in the various streets down which you might have fled.
And of course in London and the UK in general, people have gotten quite used to surveillance cameras everywhere, which are being recorded by the police, and sometimes there are being monitered in real time by employees of the police department, and in some cases they can even speak to you via a microphone and a speaker near the camera, "Hey, I saw you litter in the park! Please it pick it up and dispose of it properly and we'll say no more about it." The UK citizens are OK with this, and haven't been complaining about it being a police state.
Quite frankly, I'd much rather if the police always had body-cam videos running all time time, so we (a) get hard data on how many police actually do commit cases of misconduct, and (b) actually eject those that do out of the police force.
- samstave 9y agoOK, so lets forgeet the hit-and-run scenario for a moment. How fucking shitty are ATM cameras or shop cams? (Ive designed hospital systems, btw - and they have less cameras than you think) I can tell you that I have never seen a conviction of any ATM robber/murderer in my life -- thats not to say that ATM cameras havent worked, its just that its not widely publicized. but the UK is not the US (anymore) -- and while your UK surveillance network is massive by comparison, I am advocating against self driving cars becoming the next level of surveillance. to your last point though, police body cam vid is an interesting thing; They typically produce about 16GB a day - which then needs to get slurped off the device - stored locally, then transfered to [end-location] - now if we talk about CJIS Compliance - this basically means govcloud and it needs to be stored indefinitely (or per the municipalities policy, which usually is about 5 years+++) but going through that data is the hard part... and the problem scales pretty quickly. Just do a wiki on "how many police by city in the us" So look at these numbers: ```New York, New York 42.3 36,228 60.0 51,399 Chicago, Illinois 43.9 11,954 48.2 13,135 Los Angeles, California 24.6 9,850 31.7 12,692 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 40.2 6,313 50.9 7,995 Houston, Texas 22.2 5,182 28.4 6,632 Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia 55.1 3,753 63.9 4,352 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Nevada 20.9 3,326 30.5 4,855 Dallas, Texas 24.8 3,279 29.0 3,829``` So imagine, 16GB x 36,228 X 5-years of data.... and you want me to search back and find SELECT* from BCD WHERE OFFICER==X AND DATE==Y etc.... ALSO! Guess what - we know how many police in LV were on cams - So at 16GB a DAY PER officer we have 3,326 body cams from AXON collecting ~16GB a day - so from the vegas shooting there is alone we have 5.3TB of bodycam data to potentially be processed... reduce by 30% for off duties at the time, then reduce by another 30% to assume that they all didnt respond, then reduce by another 10% for those that werent wearing them... etc etc... so basically we should have around 1TB from that day alone in body cam footage...