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Why bother with ride sharing when the cost per mile would be so cheap?

Johnny555 9y ago
Because "cheaper" is cheaper than "cheap". I don't ride-share with Lyft because the per-ride cost is cheap enough for me -- but that's not true for everyone. No matter how cheap it is, there will always be people that want to pay less. Plus, when cities are inundated with car-shares and institute congestion pricing, even if the car is cheap, the $20 congestion charge can be split among the riders.
zjaffee 9y ago
Car pool lanes will likely be a big reason people choose to pool in autonomous cars. I imagine that self driving cars will make traffic much worse, and we will see a movement where cities create more and more HOV lanes to reduce traffic in such situations.
- pmoriarty 9y ago
  "I imagine that self driving cars will make traffic much worse" With fewer accidents causing traffic jams it could be much better. Eventually many autonomous cars will probably network with one another to create an optimal traffic pattern as well.
- sudhirj 9y ago
  Over a short term, yes, but there's likely to be work done on co-operation + communication standards between autocars. If a cars at an intersection are all auto, a quick Raft election can decide who goes first, so they'll all get to go through much faster. Broadcasting intention can also help with overtaking, trailing, etc. And if road train standards get built in they can all run much faster and more efficiently on highways as well.
  - r00fus 9y ago
    You're assuming all cars will be automatic or somehow able to communicate with each other? How does a circa 2010 human driven car in this scenario complicate or invalidate your routing algorithm proposal? Would human driven cars need to be outlawed in order to get the efficiency gains you mention?
  - potatolicious 9y ago
    > "If a cars at an intersection are all auto" ... and the roadway is not used/intersected by cyclists, pedestrians, or anything that isn't an autonomous vehicle... I think this stuff is super promising, but it alarms me how often we forget that streets are used by more than motor vehicles. The fact that roads are used by a mixture of users is a feature, not a bug.
- nroets 9y ago
  Self driving (and taxis) cars can reduce traffic, because commuters can combine them with mass transit (e.g. trains). If a commuter travels more than 2 legs in a day, it's very likely that mass transit will not cover one of the legs and he will take his car.
  - smileysteve 9y ago
    Yeah... I've been trying to do this and laughed at by my drivers (when it's them that are taking a long time to make it to the station). in ATLanta
  - rrhd 9y ago
    why would people do that when they don't already carpool or take a bus?
    - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
      If I could press a button and have a car pick me up, take me to the train station, get on a train, and have a car waiting on the other side I'd choose that over the present litany of call a car, hope it arrives in time, get on the train, arrive at the station, wait around for a car. Many times I'm just too tired (or lazy) to do that, and call a car for the whole journey instead.
    - rorykoehler 9y ago
      Same reason people who didn't take taxis take Uber.
- vkou 9y ago
  There's a radical idea that could be looked into - have a very large autonomous car, carrying 20-100 people. With enough of them, we could reduce traffic, save money (Compared to the cost of private vehicle ownership) - and the best part is, from the perspective of the riders, it will be self-driving. Why should we invest into self-driving carpools, when buses are cheaper, and more efficient?
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  - rrhd 9y ago
    I think you just invented the bus.
  - cjalmeida 9y ago
    Fixed routes and last mile. Buses are particularly poor on that. I'm thinking on mini buses, 10 to 20 pax, with flexible dispatching. A service where you tell where you live, where you want to get to every workday at what time. Algorithms pool people and make sure you don't have to walk more than a few minutes. Nor wait for long before journey or arrive too early.
    - vkou 9y ago
      Buses have poor last-mile economics because the overwhelming majority of commuters drive, killing any hope for economies of scale. If there were fewer cars on the road, bus coverage would be much better then what you're used to. (If we were to use 20-person mini-buses.)
apendleton 9y ago
From the provider's perspective it means they can serve the same number of customers with fewer cars, and from a public infrastructure perspective it means they can do so with less total road capacity. For both, it makes sense to create price incentives to encourage people to pool, especially at peak times.
jdietrich 9y ago
A lot of low-income workers currently rely on informal ride-sharing schemes or shared taxis. They're not necessarily safe, reliable or legal, but they're very cheap and fill the gaps in official transit services. Autonomous minibuses with AI dispatching could have a revolutionary impact on areas that are currently under-served by public transit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi

Because "cheaper" is cheaper than "cheap". I don't ride-share with Lyft because the per-ride cost is cheap enough for me -- but that's not true for everyone. No matter how cheap it is, there will always be people that want to pay less. Plus, when cities are inundated with car-shares and institute congestion pricing, even if the car is cheap, the $20 congestion charge can be split among the riders.

zjaffee 9y ago

Car pool lanes will likely be a big reason people choose to pool in autonomous cars. I imagine that self driving cars will make traffic much worse, and we will see a movement where cities create more and more HOV lanes to reduce traffic in such situations.

pmoriarty 9y ago
"I imagine that self driving cars will make traffic much worse" With fewer accidents causing traffic jams it could be much better. Eventually many autonomous cars will probably network with one another to create an optimal traffic pattern as well.
sudhirj 9y ago
Over a short term, yes, but there's likely to be work done on co-operation + communication standards between autocars. If a cars at an intersection are all auto, a quick Raft election can decide who goes first, so they'll all get to go through much faster. Broadcasting intention can also help with overtaking, trailing, etc. And if road train standards get built in they can all run much faster and more efficiently on highways as well.
- r00fus 9y ago
  You're assuming all cars will be automatic or somehow able to communicate with each other? How does a circa 2010 human driven car in this scenario complicate or invalidate your routing algorithm proposal? Would human driven cars need to be outlawed in order to get the efficiency gains you mention?
- potatolicious 9y ago
  > "If a cars at an intersection are all auto" ... and the roadway is not used/intersected by cyclists, pedestrians, or anything that isn't an autonomous vehicle... I think this stuff is super promising, but it alarms me how often we forget that streets are used by more than motor vehicles. The fact that roads are used by a mixture of users is a feature, not a bug.
nroets 9y ago
Self driving (and taxis) cars can reduce traffic, because commuters can combine them with mass transit (e.g. trains). If a commuter travels more than 2 legs in a day, it's very likely that mass transit will not cover one of the legs and he will take his car.
- smileysteve 9y ago
  Yeah... I've been trying to do this and laughed at by my drivers (when it's them that are taking a long time to make it to the station). in ATLanta
- rrhd 9y ago
  why would people do that when they don't already carpool or take a bus?
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    If I could press a button and have a car pick me up, take me to the train station, get on a train, and have a car waiting on the other side I'd choose that over the present litany of call a car, hope it arrives in time, get on the train, arrive at the station, wait around for a car. Many times I'm just too tired (or lazy) to do that, and call a car for the whole journey instead.
  - rorykoehler 9y ago
    Same reason people who didn't take taxis take Uber.
vkou 9y ago
There's a radical idea that could be looked into - have a very large autonomous car, carrying 20-100 people. With enough of them, we could reduce traffic, save money (Compared to the cost of private vehicle ownership) - and the best part is, from the perspective of the riders, it will be self-driving. Why should we invest into self-driving carpools, when buses are cheaper, and more efficient?
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- rrhd 9y ago
  I think you just invented the bus.
- cjalmeida 9y ago
  Fixed routes and last mile. Buses are particularly poor on that. I'm thinking on mini buses, 10 to 20 pax, with flexible dispatching. A service where you tell where you live, where you want to get to every workday at what time. Algorithms pool people and make sure you don't have to walk more than a few minutes. Nor wait for long before journey or arrive too early.
  - vkou 9y ago
    Buses have poor last-mile economics because the overwhelming majority of commuters drive, killing any hope for economies of scale. If there were fewer cars on the road, bus coverage would be much better then what you're used to. (If we were to use 20-person mini-buses.)

apendleton 9y ago

From the provider's perspective it means they can serve the same number of customers with fewer cars, and from a public infrastructure perspective it means they can do so with less total road capacity. For both, it makes sense to create price incentives to encourage people to pool, especially at peak times.

jdietrich 9y ago

A lot of low-income workers currently rely on informal ride-sharing schemes or shared taxis. They're not necessarily safe, reliable or legal, but they're very cheap and fill the gaps in official transit services. Autonomous minibuses with AI dispatching could have a revolutionary impact on areas that are currently under-served by public transit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi