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Aren't all video game review sites like this? All AAA games get inflated scores to not offend the studios.

adamnemecek 9y ago
The main difference is that gamers are much better connected than movie goers I think. This sort of behavior might not have as many repercussions for movie studios as it does for gaming studios.
- eregorn 9y ago
  "better" doesn't seem a good description for the gaming community's connection to studios. In many cases, gamers themselves might even strong-arm media outlets for studios with or without permission, hence the inflated scores. The recent fake review on Mario Odyssey comes to mind.
  - cholantesh 9y ago
    The Jim Sterling one?
- steinuil 9y ago
  That's not necessarily true, lots of gamers are just casual gamers who will only buy the blockbusters, just as with movies, and will probably not go beyond checking the metacritic score before buying, or even worse they will preorder it before the reviews are even out. I think the main difference is that AAA games are much more expensive than a movie ticket, so the percentage of people who do this is lower.
- mrguyorama 9y ago
  This behavior has near zero repercussions for gaming studios. Despite companies like Ubisoft blacklisting and badmouthing critics who gave honest opinions of arguably poor game design choices, these companies have never been richer
c0nducktr 9y ago
Giantbomb doesn't, as far as I can tell. Jeff Gerstmann started the site shortly after he was let go from GameSpot (rumored) for posting a low-score review of a game which was advertising heavily on their platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann#Termination_from_GameSpot_.282007.E2.80.932008.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann#Termination_fro...
- runevault 9y ago
  They openly talked about it when CBSi (also owners of Gamespot) bought Giant Bomb back in... 2012? I forget what year, but it was pretty open about his Kane and Lynch review got him fired.
  - Relys 9y ago
    Was there. Can confirm it was Kane and Lynch.
azernik 9y ago
Indeed they do - because video game journalism does not have the same ethical standards (not in the Gamergate sense) that film and literary journalism do.
- kibwen 9y ago
  How so? Until I got to college my second job (after "sandwich artist" at Wendy's) was as a paid contributor to one of the two powerhouse gaming blogs at the time (the one that wasn't Kotaku; if you were in the scene back then, you'd heard of us), back when blogging was first coming to the public consciousness and the term "blogosphere" had yet to be coined. And while in retrospect I'd classify the quality of my own writing as "tabloid amateur" at best (please, God, don't go look at it!), we held ourselves to quite high standards of integrity: we could not accept any gifts from publishers, including paying for our own lodging and airfare when traveling to events; if we attended after-parties (at E3 and such), we had to disclose our presence and acknowledge any conflicts of interest; and when receiving games to review not only did we have to disclose as such, but we were forbidden from keeping any games, so we held raffles in order to award the games to our readers (back when physical copies were the norm, remember). If even our flying-by-the-seat-of-our-pants blog could adhere to standards, why is everyone so dim on the prospect of integrity for game journalists?
  - azernik 9y ago
    The blogs on that scale sadly do not set the standard; as long as IGN and Gamespot are willing to put up with these shenanigans, the game companies can get away with it.
LastZactionHero 9y ago
Kotaku was blacklisted by Bethesda for reporting on Fallout 4 before it was revealed. https://kotaku.com/a-price-of-games-journalism-1743526293 https://kotaku.com/a-price-of-games-journalism-1743526293 Not exactly local government corrupted by a major corporation here, but yeah studios blacklist for reports they don't like.
- kelukelugames 9y ago
  Isn't violating embargo different? I thought most reviewers agree to that explicitly.

The main difference is that gamers are much better connected than movie goers I think. This sort of behavior might not have as many repercussions for movie studios as it does for gaming studios.

eregorn 9y ago
"better" doesn't seem a good description for the gaming community's connection to studios. In many cases, gamers themselves might even strong-arm media outlets for studios with or without permission, hence the inflated scores. The recent fake review on Mario Odyssey comes to mind.
- cholantesh 9y ago
  The Jim Sterling one?
steinuil 9y ago
That's not necessarily true, lots of gamers are just casual gamers who will only buy the blockbusters, just as with movies, and will probably not go beyond checking the metacritic score before buying, or even worse they will preorder it before the reviews are even out. I think the main difference is that AAA games are much more expensive than a movie ticket, so the percentage of people who do this is lower.
mrguyorama 9y ago
This behavior has near zero repercussions for gaming studios. Despite companies like Ubisoft blacklisting and badmouthing critics who gave honest opinions of arguably poor game design choices, these companies have never been richer

c0nducktr 9y ago

Giantbomb doesn't, as far as I can tell. Jeff Gerstmann started the site shortly after he was let go from GameSpot (rumored) for posting a low-score review of a game which was advertising heavily on their platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann#Termination_from_GameSpot_.282007.E2.80.932008.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann#Termination_fro...

runevault 9y ago
They openly talked about it when CBSi (also owners of Gamespot) bought Giant Bomb back in... 2012? I forget what year, but it was pretty open about his Kane and Lynch review got him fired.
- Relys 9y ago
  Was there. Can confirm it was Kane and Lynch.

azernik 9y ago

Indeed they do - because video game journalism does not have the same ethical standards (not in the Gamergate sense) that film and literary journalism do.

kibwen 9y ago
How so? Until I got to college my second job (after "sandwich artist" at Wendy's) was as a paid contributor to one of the two powerhouse gaming blogs at the time (the one that wasn't Kotaku; if you were in the scene back then, you'd heard of us), back when blogging was first coming to the public consciousness and the term "blogosphere" had yet to be coined. And while in retrospect I'd classify the quality of my own writing as "tabloid amateur" at best (please, God, don't go look at it!), we held ourselves to quite high standards of integrity: we could not accept any gifts from publishers, including paying for our own lodging and airfare when traveling to events; if we attended after-parties (at E3 and such), we had to disclose our presence and acknowledge any conflicts of interest; and when receiving games to review not only did we have to disclose as such, but we were forbidden from keeping any games, so we held raffles in order to award the games to our readers (back when physical copies were the norm, remember). If even our flying-by-the-seat-of-our-pants blog could adhere to standards, why is everyone so dim on the prospect of integrity for game journalists?
- azernik 9y ago
  The blogs on that scale sadly do not set the standard; as long as IGN and Gamespot are willing to put up with these shenanigans, the game companies can get away with it.

LastZactionHero 9y ago

Kotaku was blacklisted by Bethesda for reporting on Fallout 4 before it was revealed. https://kotaku.com/a-price-of-games-journalism-1743526293 https://kotaku.com/a-price-of-games-journalism-1743526293 Not exactly local government corrupted by a major corporation here, but yeah studios blacklist for reports they don't like.

kelukelugames 9y ago
Isn't violating embargo different? I thought most reviewers agree to that explicitly.