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The whole charging port on the bottom of the mouse isn't just for visual design. It's intentionally made to force you into using it exclusively wireless. If it

by vlozko 9y ago

The whole charging port on the bottom of the mouse isn't just for visual design. It's intentionally made to force you into using it exclusively wireless. If it were allowed to be a wired mouse far more people will have crappy experiences with the cable constantly snagging on things. Yes, technically you could plausibly run it wired until its charged enough but now there's the extra inconvenience of managing a cable. I know this all comes off as 1st world problems - and it certainly is - but Apple has always been about refining the experience. Besides, if the battery on my mouse does die, I just plug it in, go make some coffee, and come back to a mouse that'll last me for at least another week before another recharge. Fully charged, I've had it run for at least a month. The whole charge from the bottom is one of the biggest non-issues ever.

tnova 9y ago
Sounds to me, like you are finding excuses to defend a bad design decision. If my mouse dies on me, then I expect to be able to plug it in and then continue to use it, with a minimal interruption of my workflow. Which, how you presented it, is not possible. I shouldn't be forced to bend my workflow around my devices, but my devices should bend to my workflow. Yes, this is not always possible, but in this case it is just an unnecessary inconvenience. And if I decide, that I want to have the "crappy experience" of using my mouse while it's on a charging cable, then I should be able to make that decision. This is not "refining experience", it is just bad design.
- macintux 9y ago
  My only-slightly-tongue-in-cheek theory is that Apple thinks users should, with rare exception, be using trackpads instead. I can't imagine ever using a mouse again. Such a miserable experience compared to a good trackpad.
  - megaman22 9y ago
    My slightly tongue-in-cheek take is that Apple engineers and designers must have extremely tiny hands. One of my colleagues got one of the new 13' MBPs recently; I can't even get my hands to fit on the home row.
  - ghettoimp 9y ago
    Huh. My personal experience is almost the opposite. I feel like I'm much faster with a mouse, and my hand cramps up when using the trackpad on my macbook for too long...
    - macintux 9y ago
      Interesting. One key for me is tap to click; I find that significantly reduces the (metaphorical) friction to using a trackpad.
jdietrich 9y ago
>If it were allowed to be a wired mouse far more people will have crappy experiences with the cable constantly snagging on things. Logitech and Razer's high-end wireless mice work in either wired or wireless mode. Their products are a pleasure to use in either configuration. Logitech have recently launched the PowerPlay system, which charges the mouse inductively through the mouse mat. The Magic Mouse is absolutely awful IMO. The shape is an ergonomic disaster for palm and claw grippers, the sensor is poor and the multi-touch gestures are far less usable than a simple scroll wheel, let alone the dual scroll wheels on the Logitech MX Master. Like the old hockey puck mouse, it just isn't built to fit the human hand. I've said this before, but I'll say it again - Apple are hugely successful, but they're playing a very risky long-term game. Their neglect of power users threatens to undermine the cultural cachet that their brand is built on. If you lose the influencers and the thought leaders, the rest of the market will eventually follow. The persistent neglect of the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini, the touch bar and the butterfly keys all send the message that Apple no longer cares about creative professionals. Of the people I talk to, most continue to use Macs only under duress. They're dissatisfied with the hardware design choices, they're frustrated with the software quality and they feel that Apple is now a phone company with a legacy computer business. I was a Mac user from Jaguar to Mountain Lion, but I simply couldn't get the job done with Macs any more. I couldn't stomach paying a huge premium for a "pro workstation" that was anything but.
- arvinsim 9y ago
  I only like MBPs because of their battery life. Apple’s dekstop offerings right now are just bad for me as a power user.
bramen 9y ago
Yes, technically you could plausibly run it wired until its charged enough but now there's the extra inconvenience of managing a cable. You have to manage the same cable when charging it from underneath, only now it's unusable until it's done charging... I can see defending it on aesthetic grounds, and maybe even from a condescending place of not wanting the user to feel what it's like to use it tethered (I like Apple but they do this "we know what you want better than you" dance a little too much). But the point I quoted is pretty silly.

by vlozko 9y ago

tnova 9y ago

Sounds to me, like you are finding excuses to defend a bad design decision. If my mouse dies on me, then I expect to be able to plug it in and then continue to use it, with a minimal interruption of my workflow. Which, how you presented it, is not possible. I shouldn't be forced to bend my workflow around my devices, but my devices should bend to my workflow. Yes, this is not always possible, but in this case it is just an unnecessary inconvenience. And if I decide, that I want to have the "crappy experience" of using my mouse while it's on a charging cable, then I should be able to make that decision. This is not "refining experience", it is just bad design.

macintux 9y ago
My only-slightly-tongue-in-cheek theory is that Apple thinks users should, with rare exception, be using trackpads instead. I can't imagine ever using a mouse again. Such a miserable experience compared to a good trackpad.
- megaman22 9y ago
  My slightly tongue-in-cheek take is that Apple engineers and designers must have extremely tiny hands. One of my colleagues got one of the new 13' MBPs recently; I can't even get my hands to fit on the home row.
- ghettoimp 9y ago
  Huh. My personal experience is almost the opposite. I feel like I'm much faster with a mouse, and my hand cramps up when using the trackpad on my macbook for too long...
  - macintux 9y ago
    Interesting. One key for me is tap to click; I find that significantly reduces the (metaphorical) friction to using a trackpad.

jdietrich 9y ago

>If it were allowed to be a wired mouse far more people will have crappy experiences with the cable constantly snagging on things. Logitech and Razer's high-end wireless mice work in either wired or wireless mode. Their products are a pleasure to use in either configuration. Logitech have recently launched the PowerPlay system, which charges the mouse inductively through the mouse mat. The Magic Mouse is absolutely awful IMO. The shape is an ergonomic disaster for palm and claw grippers, the sensor is poor and the multi-touch gestures are far less usable than a simple scroll wheel, let alone the dual scroll wheels on the Logitech MX Master. Like the old hockey puck mouse, it just isn't built to fit the human hand. I've said this before, but I'll say it again - Apple are hugely successful, but they're playing a very risky long-term game. Their neglect of power users threatens to undermine the cultural cachet that their brand is built on. If you lose the influencers and the thought leaders, the rest of the market will eventually follow. The persistent neglect of the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini, the touch bar and the butterfly keys all send the message that Apple no longer cares about creative professionals. Of the people I talk to, most continue to use Macs only under duress. They're dissatisfied with the hardware design choices, they're frustrated with the software quality and they feel that Apple is now a phone company with a legacy computer business. I was a Mac user from Jaguar to Mountain Lion, but I simply couldn't get the job done with Macs any more. I couldn't stomach paying a huge premium for a "pro workstation" that was anything but.

arvinsim 9y ago
I only like MBPs because of their battery life. Apple’s dekstop offerings right now are just bad for me as a power user.

bramen 9y ago

Yes, technically you could plausibly run it wired until its charged enough but now there's the extra inconvenience of managing a cable. You have to manage the same cable when charging it from underneath, only now it's unusable until it's done charging... I can see defending it on aesthetic grounds, and maybe even from a condescending place of not wanting the user to feel what it's like to use it tethered (I like Apple but they do this "we know what you want better than you" dance a little too much). But the point I quoted is pretty silly.