All of these concerns are not actually concerns. They're a symptom you haven't yet become a JS dev. You have to throw yourself mentally into the ecosystem, whol

All of these concerns are not actually concerns. They're a symptom you haven't yet become a JS dev. You have to throw yourself mentally into the ecosystem, wholeheartedly, as if you were diving into a pool. At that point every one of your concerns vanish: - There is exactly one way to define a module. Write a file. Done. Webpack takes care of it. - You were using Webpack, right? - The fact that Webpack either wasn't on your radar or already solving your problems says a lot. Look, I know this sounds like bullshit, and in fact it's very difficult to distinguish this from actual bullshit. But there are a huge number of people here -- old fogies, stuck in the past, yearning for the old days that are never coming back -- who hate JS, and that hatred manifests itself in ten thousand subtle ways. Inventing the idea out of thin air that "there are 7 different ways to define a module" is simply false. It does not resemble reality. Yes, it's true you can point at all the dead module systems that came and went, but nobody bothers even thinking about those systems because they're dead. They're zombies. Yeah maybe some people use them, but realistically if you're getting shit done in JS that means you have webpack and all of these concerns are not actually concerns. JS stdlib seems like nonsense? Lodash. Feels like you're importing too much bloat? Webpack tree shaking takes care of that. Closure compiler eliminates all the code you're not using. There's no reason not to use a first-class stdlib, whether it's Lodash or whatever else you prefer. - The JavaScript community seems to have the opposite of NIH syndrome, so that even basic functionality is offloaded to a third-party modules (see leftpad). The project I'm working on has over 1000 modules in it's dependency tree. This is the power of JS. It's the thing to force yourself to embrace. You need to join the cult of bullshit and just mentally force yourself to love this rather than hate it. It's why JS won. You can hate it all you want and revel in the insanity, but there is zero reason to do that other than as a way of making yourself feel good. Which is just another way of saying we're all acting very selfish when we lash out at JS like this. Yes, you're correct. Every one of your points is absolutely true. Yet it's all so very wrong. I wish I could put it into words better than this. Look dude. I've been around the block. I vividly remember what this shit was like in 2008. You want pain? Holy shit, I remember trying to make a little arrow rotate on my webapp. I wanted finder-style arrow rotations. You know how on a tree view, each folder has a little arrow, and it points to the right when it's collapsed? Click on it, it rotates 90 degrees and points down, and the tree expands. YEah, I tried to do that in 2007 right when Rails 1 was first coming out. Talk about horror. The solution -- the only solution -- was to make an entire animation frame by frame, of the arrow rotating 90 degrees. Like 16 different images, just for this stupid arrow to rotate 90 degrees on command. Because CSS literally wasn't a thing back then. Yeah we had "CSS", but for all intents and purposes we are living in the future right now. We have tools that 2007-me could only dream of. JS works now. That is not the expected behavior. It's difficult to convey how fucking strange this is. Anyone who lived through that 2006-era transition knows what I mean. Right now you can drop Semantic UI into your project, hook up React to it, and have first class testing (Enzyme) and state management (Redux). Don't like all that bullshit? No problem. Use Vue. It sidesteps all the Redux insanity. And the tooling is catching up. But the way you know these things is by being a JS dev. Living and breathing it every day. There's no way around that. You either throw yourself wholeheartedly into the pool or keep one toe in while complaining about how big the ocean is. This rant came out quite a lot harsher than I intended; it's just a reaction to the very common trope that HN throws around of "JS is shit, the web is shit, this is shit." Yes, this is true. And yet -- simultaneously -- no. No no no. We can do magical things now. Hooking up Vue with hot reloading is literally magic. If 2007-era me had these tools, I would have launched a startup that could dominate everyone else solely due to the advanced tooling that we now enjoy. Our tooling now vs 2007 is like Lisp vs C++ back in 1999.