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amoral, not immoral but even then I disagree, just look at the life expectancy of the billions of people under capitalism. Milton Friedman - Is Capitalism Hum

amoral, not immoral but even then I disagree, just look at the life expectancy of the billions of people under capitalism. Milton Friedman - Is Capitalism Humane? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPI1emZFVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPI1emZFVg

PhasmaFelis 9y ago
"The least of several evils" is not the same thing as "good".
- jamesrcole 9y ago
  But what if it's the least evil of all the available options? That doesn't itself make it "good" but that does make it the best option available.
  - coliveira 9y ago
    Contrary to popular belief, economy is not a binary system. There is a huge range of decisions that can be pursued and each decision has a particular interest. Modern societies have decided to take the "market-friendly" decisions each step of the way instead of the human- and environment-friendly decisions with the excuse that this is the least of "two" evils.
  - PhasmaFelis 9y ago
    Of course. PeachPlum was asserting that it does make it good, though.
    - jamesrcole 9y ago
      What I was trying to get at is that if something is literally the best option available then there's not much point complaining about it.
musage 9y ago
Objects are amoral. When humans create structures in which they align themselves with immoral incentives, they're being immoral. The failure to be good is being evil in my books; there is no neutrality and there is no mediocrity, there is doing your part or guilt. And no, nobody is 100% innocent and nobody is 100% guilty. Nobody made themselves out of nothing. Everybody started out as a helpless baby and the range of experiences one can get exposed to before even being able to attempt defend oneself is vast. But so what if every abuser got abused in some way or another, or was withheld some crucial things needed for development? Then don't hate them, but absolutely stop them.
coliveira 9y ago
This is an economic system created and maintained by humans. The morality or immorality is a property of those who maintain it, no matter how much these people try to dissuade others of this simple fact.

PhasmaFelis 9y ago

"The least of several evils" is not the same thing as "good".

jamesrcole 9y ago
But what if it's the least evil of all the available options? That doesn't itself make it "good" but that does make it the best option available.
- coliveira 9y ago
  Contrary to popular belief, economy is not a binary system. There is a huge range of decisions that can be pursued and each decision has a particular interest. Modern societies have decided to take the "market-friendly" decisions each step of the way instead of the human- and environment-friendly decisions with the excuse that this is the least of "two" evils.
- PhasmaFelis 9y ago
  Of course. PeachPlum was asserting that it does make it good, though.
  - jamesrcole 9y ago
    What I was trying to get at is that if something is literally the best option available then there's not much point complaining about it.

musage 9y ago

Objects are amoral. When humans create structures in which they align themselves with immoral incentives, they're being immoral. The failure to be good is being evil in my books; there is no neutrality and there is no mediocrity, there is doing your part or guilt. And no, nobody is 100% innocent and nobody is 100% guilty. Nobody made themselves out of nothing. Everybody started out as a helpless baby and the range of experiences one can get exposed to before even being able to attempt defend oneself is vast. But so what if every abuser got abused in some way or another, or was withheld some crucial things needed for development? Then don't hate them, but absolutely stop them.

coliveira 9y ago

This is an economic system created and maintained by humans. The morality or immorality is a property of those who maintain it, no matter how much these people try to dissuade others of this simple fact.