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> Conway also believed his former partner to be paying himself far and above the fund’s $250,000 annual salary cap by skimming off of SV Angel funds through a t
by owens99 9y ago
> Conway also believed his former partner to be paying himself far and above the fund’s $250,000 annual salary cap by skimming off of SV Angel funds through a technique known as a fee waiver, a fairly common way for fund managers to cover the costs they are expected to invest upfront.
Can anyone clarify how this would be considered skimming? Here's a definition of a Fee Waiver from Mondaq.com:
A management fee waiver or conversion is a strategy whereby the general partner or management company of a private equity fund "waives" the management fee (often up to 2 percent of assets or committed capital per annum), which would typically be paid quarterly and treated as ordinary income for tax purposes, in exchange for an increased "carried interest," which often qualifies for long-term capital gain treatment. In many cases, the receipt of an additional carried interest pursuant to a fee waiver can be used to satisfy the general partner's capital contribution obligation. The key to the strategy is to change the management fee, which is unconditionally payable, into a payment that is conditioned upon future profitability of the fund. However, that does not necessarily mean that the fund has to have an overall net profit for the general partner or manager to earn the waived fee. In many variants of the strategy, the additional carried interest obtained as a result of the waiver results in a priority allocation of the fund's profits from certain investments and/or during certain fiscal periods, unlike the basic carried interest. In these cases, the general partner can realize some carried interest (and, effectively, some portion of the "waived" management fee) even if the fund has a net loss at the end of the overall investment lifecycle.
If the structure is upheld, a management fee waiver effectively allows the general partner to largely convert ordinary income (management fee), currently taxed at a maximum federal rate of 35 percent, into capital gain, currently taxed at 15 percent. There also may be a deferral benefit — delaying current taxation on the waived management fee income and pushing the tax to later years when the gains that produce the additional carried interest are realized. Limited partners who are individuals may also avoid limitations that might otherwise apply to management fee deductions. Finally, the waived amount is categorized as a "profits interest," which is not subject to employment taxes, whereas management fee income generally is.
For New York taxation purposes, there is no rate differential between ordinary income and capital gains, although there could be a deferral benefit. In addition, some non-resident general partners who waive their management fees take the position that no New York income or New York City unincorporated business tax is due on the additional carried interest.
- ambentzen 9y agoMy guess is the management fee is part of the salary cap, but the capital gain it is converted into is not. Thus he pays himself the $250,000 + capital gains instead of management fees + salary up to a grand total of $250,000.
- owens99 9y agoSo he used money from the management fee to get himself extra carry? I'd assume that the carry would have to be evenly distributed to all the partners. Also, if he's able to get superior returns without spending his management fee, what's wrong with reinvesting the unspent money into the carry to benefit the partners (as long as it's equally distributed)?
- lostboys67 9y agoyes that's my understanding of how partnerships work unless VC funds are not "partnerships" in the way a law firm is
- maxerickson 9y agoThey describe themselves as "partners". Using contractual details to pay yourself in a way you then don't make clear to your partner easily meets a lay definition of skimming. Maybe they should have described their firm to themselves as a knife fighting ring or something?
- owens99 9y agoCan you be more specific? I'm not seeing how he could legally do that.
- maxerickson 9y agoI'm talking about the potential difference between carefully filing the correct paperwork (or what have you) with the company and being frank and up front before carefully filing the correct paperwork.