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> Yes, a criticism of liberals, the media, and the NAACP, that hinges on doctoring a video to make an innocent woman look like a racist. Criticism of the media

by w00pla 16y ago

> Yes, a criticism of liberals, the media, and the NAACP, that hinges on doctoring a video to make an innocent woman look like a racist. Criticism of the media hinges on the fact that they cover some things (e.g. white kids beating up a black kid) extremely intensely, but ignores cases where the reverse happens.

jbooth 16y ago
Dude, give me a break. If you're a white American male, and you're gonna whine about the discrimination you face in life, you need to wake the fuck up. Literally everybody else on earth has it worse than you. Grow up and take responsibility for your own situation.
- nuclear_eclipse 16y ago
  > Literally everybody else on earth has it worse than you. Grow up and take responsibility for your own situation. So when I was trying to go to university and my family was too poor to pay my tuition, but I could only apply to <40% of scholarships available because I was white instead of a "minority", that's better off than everybody else? How is "taking responsibility" going to fix that sort of reverse discrimination? Why is it OK for scholarships to focus on poor minorities, but it's not OK for scholarships to focus on poor caucasions?
  - blasdel 16y ago
    Because there are mutual societies formed out of need for minority groups to support one another — most of them initially just for information sharing, emotional support, and legal defenses. Scholarships came later to help the children in their communities go to college. Hell, almost all scholarships were endowed by people to help the younger versions of themselves go to college, it's just that the identity-forming characteristic is different for everybody. Given the state of things in the US, there aren't really non-shitheads that primarily identify themselves as white.
  - jbooth 16y ago
    Start your own scholarships if you're such a big believe in self-reliance. More to the point -- yes, you still had it way the hell easier than you likely would have if you were black or hispanic. White males are not victims -- we have it easier than every other group. If you forget that, you're being an asshole.
- w00pla 16y ago
  > If you're a white American male, I am not a white American male. I am a young white South African. > Grow up and take responsibility for your own situation. This is a bullshit argument. You say that people who are discriminated against are responsible for their own situation. WTF? If a white person cannot gain entrance into a university (because he is white) or he cannot get a job (government mandated quotas in the private industry and basically a moratorium in the public sector). Here is a simple example: I did really well in my school matric exam (in the top 3 in a province). I applied for over 30 bursaries for which I did not receive a response for an engineering degree. The same companies gave lots of bursaries to black people who cannot complete the degree in 4 years. In other words, they do an extra year of “pre-parationary classes” and then do a 5 year engineering degree (which is usually six). So people spend 6-7 years on a 4 year degree! (I passed mine in 4 years with an 88% average). Luckily my parents dug deep and I could go to university (with difficulty). If they were just a little poorer, I would have been fucked (and would probably be doing manual labour or something). By the way, afterwards I studied received a much more competitive and prestigious bursary to study further overseas. So apparently I was not good enough for SA universities but elite university in a foreign country is OK. That is what I am doing now. What you should also bear in mind is that it is usually white people of lower socio-economic status that is the hardest hit. Not everyone can be an engineer, etc... Discriminatory policies create a lot of poverty among them and create a continual poverty trap. It also seems that there is a lot of hate (among both black and white people) for poor white people. It is even common to use slurs against them (e.g. white trash).
  - jbooth 16y ago
    Seriously. You follow up "white people don't have it so bad" with "I'm a white south african and I've had it so bad"? Is irony dead?
    - w00pla 16y ago
      Really? You know that my parents were piss poor, and it is just through luck (and hard work) that I've achieved anything in life. But yeah. I was recently insulted by an American person (apparently referring to someone you just met as “[Racial expletive] are the worst people in the world” is okay as far as white South Africans go). Apparently my mere existence as a white South African is offensive to some. Two months ago someone said that my first language did not exist. WTF? 6 million people speak it, I am pretty sure that it is a real language. What would you have white South Africans do? A third immigrated and almost a third is in squatter camps. The third that is rich doesn’t really help the rest that is dirt poor. Should we just organise a mass suicide like a sect or something? Would that be acceptable to you?

by w00pla 16y ago

jbooth 16y ago

Dude, give me a break. If you're a white American male, and you're gonna whine about the discrimination you face in life, you need to wake the fuck up. Literally everybody else on earth has it worse than you. Grow up and take responsibility for your own situation.

nuclear_eclipse 16y ago
> Literally everybody else on earth has it worse than you. Grow up and take responsibility for your own situation. So when I was trying to go to university and my family was too poor to pay my tuition, but I could only apply to <40% of scholarships available because I was white instead of a "minority", that's better off than everybody else? How is "taking responsibility" going to fix that sort of reverse discrimination? Why is it OK for scholarships to focus on poor minorities, but it's not OK for scholarships to focus on poor caucasions?
- blasdel 16y ago
  Because there are mutual societies formed out of need for minority groups to support one another — most of them initially just for information sharing, emotional support, and legal defenses. Scholarships came later to help the children in their communities go to college. Hell, almost all scholarships were endowed by people to help the younger versions of themselves go to college, it's just that the identity-forming characteristic is different for everybody. Given the state of things in the US, there aren't really non-shitheads that primarily identify themselves as white.
- jbooth 16y ago
  Start your own scholarships if you're such a big believe in self-reliance. More to the point -- yes, you still had it way the hell easier than you likely would have if you were black or hispanic. White males are not victims -- we have it easier than every other group. If you forget that, you're being an asshole.
w00pla 16y ago
> If you're a white American male, I am not a white American male. I am a young white South African. > Grow up and take responsibility for your own situation. This is a bullshit argument. You say that people who are discriminated against are responsible for their own situation. WTF? If a white person cannot gain entrance into a university (because he is white) or he cannot get a job (government mandated quotas in the private industry and basically a moratorium in the public sector). Here is a simple example: I did really well in my school matric exam (in the top 3 in a province). I applied for over 30 bursaries for which I did not receive a response for an engineering degree. The same companies gave lots of bursaries to black people who cannot complete the degree in 4 years. In other words, they do an extra year of “pre-parationary classes” and then do a 5 year engineering degree (which is usually six). So people spend 6-7 years on a 4 year degree! (I passed mine in 4 years with an 88% average). Luckily my parents dug deep and I could go to university (with difficulty). If they were just a little poorer, I would have been fucked (and would probably be doing manual labour or something). By the way, afterwards I studied received a much more competitive and prestigious bursary to study further overseas. So apparently I was not good enough for SA universities but elite university in a foreign country is OK. That is what I am doing now. What you should also bear in mind is that it is usually white people of lower socio-economic status that is the hardest hit. Not everyone can be an engineer, etc... Discriminatory policies create a lot of poverty among them and create a continual poverty trap. It also seems that there is a lot of hate (among both black and white people) for poor white people. It is even common to use slurs against them (e.g. white trash).
- jbooth 16y ago
  Seriously. You follow up "white people don't have it so bad" with "I'm a white south african and I've had it so bad"? Is irony dead?
  - w00pla 16y ago
    Really? You know that my parents were piss poor, and it is just through luck (and hard work) that I've achieved anything in life. But yeah. I was recently insulted by an American person (apparently referring to someone you just met as “[Racial expletive] are the worst people in the world” is okay as far as white South Africans go). Apparently my mere existence as a white South African is offensive to some. Two months ago someone said that my first language did not exist. WTF? 6 million people speak it, I am pretty sure that it is a real language. What would you have white South Africans do? A third immigrated and almost a third is in squatter camps. The third that is rich doesn’t really help the rest that is dirt poor. Should we just organise a mass suicide like a sect or something? Would that be acceptable to you?