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Ok, I haven't read the article, on mobile... But Intel and AMD shouldn't be aligning on anything. This sounds extremely anti-competstive. Nvidia should get an

Ok, I haven't read the article, on mobile... But Intel and AMD shouldn't be aligning on anything. This sounds extremely anti-competstive. Nvidia should get an automatic x86 license. Actually, I have a proactive anti monopoly idea. Any company that is the predominant player in a market cannot use patents to limit the ability of a competitor to make a compatible product. This would mean anyone could make x86 chips w/o a license.

ac29 9y ago
There are rumours and speculation about this, but my reading into it is that this is going to be a single SKU (maybe 2 or 3 variants), possibly for a single customer. My best guess is Apple -- they were already using Intel CPUs with AMD GPUs, and they probably opened up their checkbook to make this collaboration happen. It should give them performance and power benefits, and Intel and AMD sell the same number of CPUs and GPUs, respectively, as before. Not sure why you think this is so anti-competitive. Who knows if NVIDIA was offered the same deal and declined? They are much less prone to making "semi-custom" parts for third parties, while AMD already has a track record of doing this for Sony with the PS4 and Microsoft for the Xbox One.
- jrs95 9y ago
  Given that gaming was specifically mentioned, I'm assuming it probably isn't Apple. It's probably for products more similar to the Razer Blade Stealth. The concept of something like that is cool, but the integrated graphics are definitely the bottleneck.
  - adamson 9y ago
    I doubt gaming is really their endgame here, there are many reasons to want integrated GPU and CPU on the same die beyond gaming that would be relevant to Apple for desktop and mobile (integrated pipelining, higher memory bandwidth)
muxr 9y ago
The reason why Intel has iGPUs in their CPUs in the first place is a result of Intel licensing Nvidia tech. So you're telling me after Intel has paid Nvidia billions to use their tech, now it should be illegal for AMD to get in bed with Intel? Source: https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-announces-new-patent-cross-license-agreement-with-nvidia/ https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-announces-new... Good luck with that argument.
0xJRS 9y ago
Couldn't they just create a small company with 1 "employee" and patent everything under that company and just "share" their secrets?
- nerpderp83 9y ago
  That should be treated like an SEC violation. Life is not a rulebook to be gamed. Those that manipulate the law should be shown the door.
tasty_freeze 9y ago
Define "predominant in a market." Is intel competing in the x86 market, or the computing market? Intel could rightly point out that vastly more ARM cores are sold than x86 cores, so really it should be open season on ARM, not Intel.
- nerpderp83 9y ago
  You are arguing using a hypothetical. Translate to Latin and become profundis.

ac29 9y ago

There are rumours and speculation about this, but my reading into it is that this is going to be a single SKU (maybe 2 or 3 variants), possibly for a single customer. My best guess is Apple -- they were already using Intel CPUs with AMD GPUs, and they probably opened up their checkbook to make this collaboration happen. It should give them performance and power benefits, and Intel and AMD sell the same number of CPUs and GPUs, respectively, as before. Not sure why you think this is so anti-competitive. Who knows if NVIDIA was offered the same deal and declined? They are much less prone to making "semi-custom" parts for third parties, while AMD already has a track record of doing this for Sony with the PS4 and Microsoft for the Xbox One.

jrs95 9y ago
Given that gaming was specifically mentioned, I'm assuming it probably isn't Apple. It's probably for products more similar to the Razer Blade Stealth. The concept of something like that is cool, but the integrated graphics are definitely the bottleneck.
- adamson 9y ago
  I doubt gaming is really their endgame here, there are many reasons to want integrated GPU and CPU on the same die beyond gaming that would be relevant to Apple for desktop and mobile (integrated pipelining, higher memory bandwidth)

muxr 9y ago

The reason why Intel has iGPUs in their CPUs in the first place is a result of Intel licensing Nvidia tech. So you're telling me after Intel has paid Nvidia billions to use their tech, now it should be illegal for AMD to get in bed with Intel? Source: https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-announces-new-patent-cross-license-agreement-with-nvidia/ https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-announces-new... Good luck with that argument.

0xJRS 9y ago

Couldn't they just create a small company with 1 "employee" and patent everything under that company and just "share" their secrets?

nerpderp83 9y ago
That should be treated like an SEC violation. Life is not a rulebook to be gamed. Those that manipulate the law should be shown the door.

tasty_freeze 9y ago

Define "predominant in a market." Is intel competing in the x86 market, or the computing market? Intel could rightly point out that vastly more ARM cores are sold than x86 cores, so really it should be open season on ARM, not Intel.

nerpderp83 9y ago
You are arguing using a hypothetical. Translate to Latin and become profundis.