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What manual are you referring to? HTML5? That's a living standard, it evolves daily.

Silhouette 9y ago
A living standard, in the sense meant here, is a contradiction. The entire point of industry standards is to create a stable foundation that everyone can rely on so they can build on top in a compatible way.
krainboltgreene 9y ago
WHATWG is a living standard, HTML5 is not.
edoceo 9y ago
Dude, autocomplete=off should just work. Chrome does the WRONG THING. Spec says what to do, living spec says what to do - Chrome does whatever they want. It's BS. It breaks the web. Then chrome Devs say to use autocomplete=something-stupid to get the specification behaviour of 'off' WTF is that?! Donate to Firefox. Chrome is the new IE
- labster 9y ago
  Or you know, just use Firefox. The only problem right now being that you need to install Dev Edition to get a decent experience (i.e. version 57).
  - wtetzner 9y ago
    Not for much longer, I think Firefox 57 is schedule for release on November 14th.
- ghostly_s 9y ago
  > Dude, autocomplete=off should just work. Chrome does the WRONG THING. Screw you. I've probably encountered 'autocomplete=off' thousands of times in my browsing history, and maybe 1% of the time was it being used for something that wasn't user-hostile. I don't care what the spec says, I care about what's good for users. If the spec writers aren't willing to embrace that, vendors will ignore it.
  - daanlo 9y ago
    A website is owned by someone. If they decide that in their shop they want to have a carpet floor it is up to users not to visit that shop (if they don't like that), but not up to adidas to turn the floor into tarmac, because that works better for their shoes...
    - pathseeker 9y ago
      autocomplete is completely behavior inside the user's browser. You do not own the user's browser. Would you also like to block zooming or other accessibility features because you don't like the way it looks?
    - TheCoelacanth 9y ago
      The browser is owned by the user. If the user wants it to autocomplete a field, then it should autocomplete the field.
      - edoceo 9y ago
        Users don't even know. And if you offer a professional site, with support, you will field calls where chrome autocomplete confused the user and doesn't behave like the spec. The answer is buried in a chrome bug report. Stupid
    - JoshTriplett 9y ago
      If the website says to display ads, my browser will properly ignore that. If the website says to prevent the user from switching away from the tab, my browser will properly ignore hat. If the website tries to take over my system and install malware, my browser will properly ignore that. And if the browser tries to break the ability to remember passwords, my browser will properly ignore that too. Websites consist of code to be interpreted by browsers as they see fit, for the benefit of their users. Those users do not necessarily want exactly the experience the site authors want them to have.
      - alexssung 9y ago
KeitIG 9y ago
MDN? [1] If you want something more official, here is the W3C doc [2] [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Form#Attributes https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Fo... [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/input/text https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/input/text

A living standard, in the sense meant here, is a contradiction. The entire point of industry standards is to create a stable foundation that everyone can rely on so they can build on top in a compatible way.

krainboltgreene 9y ago

WHATWG is a living standard, HTML5 is not.

edoceo 9y ago

Dude, autocomplete=off should just work. Chrome does the WRONG THING. Spec says what to do, living spec says what to do - Chrome does whatever they want. It's BS. It breaks the web. Then chrome Devs say to use autocomplete=something-stupid to get the specification behaviour of 'off' WTF is that?! Donate to Firefox. Chrome is the new IE

labster 9y ago
Or you know, just use Firefox. The only problem right now being that you need to install Dev Edition to get a decent experience (i.e. version 57).
- wtetzner 9y ago
  Not for much longer, I think Firefox 57 is schedule for release on November 14th.
ghostly_s 9y ago
> Dude, autocomplete=off should just work. Chrome does the WRONG THING. Screw you. I've probably encountered 'autocomplete=off' thousands of times in my browsing history, and maybe 1% of the time was it being used for something that wasn't user-hostile. I don't care what the spec says, I care about what's good for users. If the spec writers aren't willing to embrace that, vendors will ignore it.
- daanlo 9y ago
  A website is owned by someone. If they decide that in their shop they want to have a carpet floor it is up to users not to visit that shop (if they don't like that), but not up to adidas to turn the floor into tarmac, because that works better for their shoes...
  - pathseeker 9y ago
    autocomplete is completely behavior inside the user's browser. You do not own the user's browser. Would you also like to block zooming or other accessibility features because you don't like the way it looks?
  - TheCoelacanth 9y ago
    The browser is owned by the user. If the user wants it to autocomplete a field, then it should autocomplete the field.
    - edoceo 9y ago
      Users don't even know. And if you offer a professional site, with support, you will field calls where chrome autocomplete confused the user and doesn't behave like the spec. The answer is buried in a chrome bug report. Stupid
  - JoshTriplett 9y ago
    If the website says to display ads, my browser will properly ignore that. If the website says to prevent the user from switching away from the tab, my browser will properly ignore hat. If the website tries to take over my system and install malware, my browser will properly ignore that. And if the browser tries to break the ability to remember passwords, my browser will properly ignore that too. Websites consist of code to be interpreted by browsers as they see fit, for the benefit of their users. Those users do not necessarily want exactly the experience the site authors want them to have.
    - alexssung 9y ago

KeitIG 9y ago

MDN? [1] If you want something more official, here is the W3C doc [2] [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Form#Attributes https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Fo... [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/input/text https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/input/text