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We all would like to see this "user data" and make up our own mind. Is the whole open source thing just a gimmick for Google? >Individual developers working fo

by ksk 9y ago

We all would like to see this "user data" and make up our own mind. Is the whole open source thing just a gimmick for Google? >Individual developers working for individual companies are rarely if ever thinking about the good of their users, except in a very narrow profit motivated sense, and never thinking about the good of the ecosystem as a whole. >Google is also "breaking the web" by not auto playing videos, not allowing alerts in one tab to block the entire browser, etc. Those all seem like good things to me. Its interesting that you're calling for a browser to not implement standards. In any case, an advertising company would be the last entity who I would trust to do anything "good" with regards to the web.

saas_co_de 9y ago
> Its interesting that you're calling for a browser to not implement standards The "standards" are created by the browser makers. It is up to them to decide what the standards are by choosing what to implement. For instance, Apple can decide to not allow 3rd party cookies, which "breaks the web" and "doesn't follow standards" but it is also the right thing to do.
- peterwwillis 9y ago
  > The "standards" are created by the browser makers You're half right: standards are created by W3C & IETF, which includes browser makers. > It is up to them to decide what the standards are by choosing what to implement Kind of like IE and ActiveX, right? Right? ............Right?
- ksk 9y ago
  If your position is "anyone can do anything" as long as it has some "perceived good" - in your opinion, then okay, that is your position and I have no argument.
- nostrademons 9y ago
  In practice, the causality is even more delayed than you describe. Browser vendors implement what they want, and then once two or more vendors have implemented a feature and some developers have adopted it, it gets considered for standardization. Standards which are written without a working implementation are widely ignored; there's a whole graveyard around the W3C (see eg. the Semantic Web) where somebody wrote a standard and nobody cared.

by ksk 9y ago

saas_co_de 9y ago

> Its interesting that you're calling for a browser to not implement standards The "standards" are created by the browser makers. It is up to them to decide what the standards are by choosing what to implement. For instance, Apple can decide to not allow 3rd party cookies, which "breaks the web" and "doesn't follow standards" but it is also the right thing to do.

peterwwillis 9y ago
> The "standards" are created by the browser makers You're half right: standards are created by W3C & IETF, which includes browser makers. > It is up to them to decide what the standards are by choosing what to implement Kind of like IE and ActiveX, right? Right? ............Right?
ksk 9y ago
If your position is "anyone can do anything" as long as it has some "perceived good" - in your opinion, then okay, that is your position and I have no argument.
nostrademons 9y ago
In practice, the causality is even more delayed than you describe. Browser vendors implement what they want, and then once two or more vendors have implemented a feature and some developers have adopted it, it gets considered for standardization. Standards which are written without a working implementation are widely ignored; there's a whole graveyard around the W3C (see eg. the Semantic Web) where somebody wrote a standard and nobody cared.