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I've always liked the hover cards that they use on Yammer, the examples of those are pretty sweet. It's pretty amazing that even this has generated negative co

I've always liked the hover cards that they use on Yammer, the examples of those are pretty sweet. It's pretty amazing that even this has generated negative comments. This is one of the reasons why I don't feel like I should ever open source any code. Anything I ever release would be something that was of use to me and maybe a few other people. Would I have to actively use and support it for the rest of my life to be "right"? I wonder how many of you complaining actually never open source anything while using lots of it. I guess it's lame to complain about negative comments on the internet, but hacker news is supposed to be different. Open source from Google? That's fantastic. Open Source from Intel, Facebook, Yahoo, or HP? Those are OK too. Open source from Microsoft? Better make sure you've said something negative to make sure that your fan boy card doesn't get pulled.

youareterrible 9y ago
Office 365 is awesome and getting better every day. Full motherfuckin’ stop.
- adzm 9y ago
  If they can get teams to not have so much whitespace it might even be a feasible replacement for slack.
cjsuk 9y ago
Have you ever tried to contribute to or use a Microsoft backed open source project before? I have. I've also worked as a partner, SQL certified DBA for the best part of 20 years of my life. Considering we can't even get anything fixed when we're paying for partner support, you're SOL most of the time. I had an issue open for 8 years that we paid to get fixed and all they did was ship a lousy registry fix from first line support. So we have to deploy that fix to about 2000 people because two teams won't take ownership internally. Nice job. It's not about fan boy cards, it's about the fact that MSFT visibly doesn't give a fuck about contributors or clients and will quite happily steamroll over everything whilst their marketing department fanfares repeatedly about how they're embracing open source and they love Linux. You'll find that Open Source to Microsoft means business as usual, just on github, with added marketing fluff.
- youdontknowtho 9y ago
  So because you have experience with Microsoft (a huge company with many products and projects) that means that anything that they do in open source is automatically BS? I'm actually in close contact with the Microsoft product teams that I depend on, and while I wish they only listened to me, they don't...but it's not the end of the world and it doesn't color every perception I have of them. Even when things are quite bad and they don't have an answer I want to hear...that doesn't mean that I can use that experience as the only criteria for all of my future interactions. What about the stuff that they get right? Does that have any value? People here go crazy about privacy and Intel's ME. They don't flip a crazy bit when Intel releases something open source or judge every product against their hatred of the management engine. Does Intel support every single project that they open source forever? How about IBM?
  - cjsuk 9y ago
    If you go to McDonalds and someone serves you a turd instead of a burger three times in a row, do you go back again? If IBM or Intel served me a turd, I wouldn't go back again. In fact IBM served me a helping of WebSphere once and I didn't go back.
    - youdontknowtho 9y ago
      They don't only sell one thing. They are the definition of a complex company and environment. Not everything they do is bad. Some things they do really well. Seriously, you had a bad experience with one IBM product. Would that keep you from looking at other things they do? They do lots of amazing things and make some platforms that define the sector for solving certain kinds of problems.
      - cjsuk 9y ago
        That was one of several IBM products that I had a bad experience with. Lotus Notes too for example.
        9y ago

youareterrible 9y ago

Office 365 is awesome and getting better every day. Full motherfuckin’ stop.

adzm 9y ago
If they can get teams to not have so much whitespace it might even be a feasible replacement for slack.

cjsuk 9y ago

Have you ever tried to contribute to or use a Microsoft backed open source project before? I have. I've also worked as a partner, SQL certified DBA for the best part of 20 years of my life. Considering we can't even get anything fixed when we're paying for partner support, you're SOL most of the time. I had an issue open for 8 years that we paid to get fixed and all they did was ship a lousy registry fix from first line support. So we have to deploy that fix to about 2000 people because two teams won't take ownership internally. Nice job. It's not about fan boy cards, it's about the fact that MSFT visibly doesn't give a fuck about contributors or clients and will quite happily steamroll over everything whilst their marketing department fanfares repeatedly about how they're embracing open source and they love Linux. You'll find that Open Source to Microsoft means business as usual, just on github, with added marketing fluff.

youdontknowtho 9y ago
So because you have experience with Microsoft (a huge company with many products and projects) that means that anything that they do in open source is automatically BS? I'm actually in close contact with the Microsoft product teams that I depend on, and while I wish they only listened to me, they don't...but it's not the end of the world and it doesn't color every perception I have of them. Even when things are quite bad and they don't have an answer I want to hear...that doesn't mean that I can use that experience as the only criteria for all of my future interactions. What about the stuff that they get right? Does that have any value? People here go crazy about privacy and Intel's ME. They don't flip a crazy bit when Intel releases something open source or judge every product against their hatred of the management engine. Does Intel support every single project that they open source forever? How about IBM?
- cjsuk 9y ago
  If you go to McDonalds and someone serves you a turd instead of a burger three times in a row, do you go back again? If IBM or Intel served me a turd, I wouldn't go back again. In fact IBM served me a helping of WebSphere once and I didn't go back.
  - youdontknowtho 9y ago
    They don't only sell one thing. They are the definition of a complex company and environment. Not everything they do is bad. Some things they do really well. Seriously, you had a bad experience with one IBM product. Would that keep you from looking at other things they do? They do lots of amazing things and make some platforms that define the sector for solving certain kinds of problems.
    - cjsuk 9y ago
      That was one of several IBM products that I had a bad experience with. Lotus Notes too for example.
      - 9y ago