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> 180 degree culture shift of capitalism You can monetize from distributed systems; and I think this will happen more often with Blockchain, render farms and t

by fredrb 9y ago

> 180 degree culture shift of capitalism You can monetize from distributed systems; and I think this will happen more often with Blockchain, render farms and things like that. > who on earth is going to buy, run and maintain this infrastructure? This. As much as I love the idea of decentralization, I can't see it getting much traction because of this.

pdimitar 9y ago
> > who on earth is going to buy, run and maintain this infrastructure? > This. As much as I love the idea of decentralization, I can't see it getting much traction because of this. At least 90% of all smartphone users are clueless as to when apps work in the background on their devices, so if you install an app that turns your smartphone into a lightweight node in a p2p network, almost everybody will be none the wiser IMO.
- KaiserPro 9y ago
  and how many of your programs can run in a guaranteed nothing environment? Can your process your sensitive data on an unknown device without leaking any secrets? Sure, pushing bits from one place to the other is easy. But _processing_ that data in any meaningful way is impossibly hard
  - pdimitar 9y ago
    Do you expect a plan that covers 100% of all problematic points from the get go? As if the current technologies aren't patched to oblivion right now. We can at least avoid the problems we already know exist. That's a progress in itself, wouldn't you agree? Like with physical exercise, you start off somewhere and you discover solutions to problems you didn't know how to solve, along the way. Also, I am not sure what you mean. What part of distributing encrypted data and decrypting it with your key on arrival is hard? Admittedly, it would require a big shift in how we code apps. I am not opposed to that though.
    - KaiserPro 9y ago
      I have mildly secret data that I want to process, for example a credit card transaction, how do I securely decrypt, process, re-encrypt and upload to the destination? Processing that data requires a remote CPU that can't be spied upon. In a de-centralised environment how can I get a reasonable guarantee that the person hosting the CPU isn't just listening to the secrets?
      - pdimitar 9y ago
        And how do you guarantee that in a centralized system? You don't. It's a wishful thinking based on unfounded trust. I can't answer your question directly. We simply can't rely on anyone hence we have encryption and key chains.
        KaiserPro 9y ago
        What threat model are you looking at? I'm talking about providing enough guarentees to sign a contract with another buisness, not hide from government actors. as a normal buisness I want to process sensitive information. That is not possible in the world you describe, with current CPUs
KaiserPro 9y ago
The only instance where this works its mining pools. I've seen offerings for renderfarms, but they never scale, are all heterogeneous in both hardware and stability, and never worth the hassle. Plus it involves shifting highly sensitive assets to unknown third-parties its impossible to sell to the movies/TV studios

by fredrb 9y ago

pdimitar 9y ago

> > who on earth is going to buy, run and maintain this infrastructure? > This. As much as I love the idea of decentralization, I can't see it getting much traction because of this. At least 90% of all smartphone users are clueless as to when apps work in the background on their devices, so if you install an app that turns your smartphone into a lightweight node in a p2p network, almost everybody will be none the wiser IMO.

KaiserPro 9y ago
and how many of your programs can run in a guaranteed nothing environment? Can your process your sensitive data on an unknown device without leaking any secrets? Sure, pushing bits from one place to the other is easy. But _processing_ that data in any meaningful way is impossibly hard
- pdimitar 9y ago
  Do you expect a plan that covers 100% of all problematic points from the get go? As if the current technologies aren't patched to oblivion right now. We can at least avoid the problems we already know exist. That's a progress in itself, wouldn't you agree? Like with physical exercise, you start off somewhere and you discover solutions to problems you didn't know how to solve, along the way. Also, I am not sure what you mean. What part of distributing encrypted data and decrypting it with your key on arrival is hard? Admittedly, it would require a big shift in how we code apps. I am not opposed to that though.
  - KaiserPro 9y ago
    I have mildly secret data that I want to process, for example a credit card transaction, how do I securely decrypt, process, re-encrypt and upload to the destination? Processing that data requires a remote CPU that can't be spied upon. In a de-centralised environment how can I get a reasonable guarantee that the person hosting the CPU isn't just listening to the secrets?
    - pdimitar 9y ago
      And how do you guarantee that in a centralized system? You don't. It's a wishful thinking based on unfounded trust. I can't answer your question directly. We simply can't rely on anyone hence we have encryption and key chains.
      - KaiserPro 9y ago
        What threat model are you looking at? I'm talking about providing enough guarentees to sign a contract with another buisness, not hide from government actors. as a normal buisness I want to process sensitive information. That is not possible in the world you describe, with current CPUs

KaiserPro 9y ago

The only instance where this works its mining pools. I've seen offerings for renderfarms, but they never scale, are all heterogeneous in both hardware and stability, and never worth the hassle. Plus it involves shifting highly sensitive assets to unknown third-parties its impossible to sell to the movies/TV studios