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Not to mention the anti - catholic bigotry that is still evident in some parts of the uk on bonfire night.

celticninja 9y ago
Really? Where do you see anti-catholic bigotry on Guy Fawkes night, the religious aspect of it is long forgotten and people dont really understand or care why it is a celebration, its just a bit of fun in the winter nights.
- pessimizer 9y ago
  In Northern Ireland, they literally put posters of Catholic politicians on the bonfires.
  - celticninja 9y ago
    That's the 12th July not November 5th and Northern Ireland is not representative of the rest of the UK in this instance.
- isostatic 9y ago
  I suspect parts of Northern Ireland and Glasgow
- confounded 9y ago
  In Lewes for example (one of the biggest celebrations in the UK) they still burn an effigy of the pope every year. These days they burn Trump too, but the anti-Catholic traditions continue.
  - onion2k 9y ago
    A particular quirk of British people is that we're very bad at stopping things that are considered traditions. We carry on with them long past the time they were relevant, maybe because none of us wants to be the one to question them. I doubt there's any anti-Catholic feeling in Lewes at all, but a lot of people who go along with burning an effigy of the pope because that's what they've always done. As a more obvious example, Lewes bonfire society only agreed to stop blacking up for Nov. 5th this year. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/05/lewes-bonfire-society-ends-tradition-criticised-for-being-racist https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/05/lewes-b...
- voidifremoved 9y ago
  I didn't even know that there was an anti-Catholic element to it, until I went to Lewes one year. It was eye-opening. For example, the Cliffe bonfire society refused to join the main parade because it meant giving up their "No Popery" traditions. http://www.cliffebonfire.com/history.html http://www.cliffebonfire.com/history.html
  - celticninja 9y ago
    I have been to bonfire night in many places in the UK and never saw anything other than the guy being burned. Lewes is not representative of the UK as a whole.
    - andygates 9y ago
      Seconded. Lewes is a huge outlier.
    - voidifremoved 9y ago
      > evident in some parts
- vincebowdren 9y ago
  When I was in the scouts (80s Britain), our local Catholic group organised a bonfire for November 5th, same as everybody else. We all knew about the origins of the tradition and the gunpowder plot, but I never caught any anti-catholic prejudice at all; unlike a few exceptions (Lewes, Northern Ireland), there didn't seem to be much heavy historical consciousness about protestantism and catholicism. And if anything, I'd say that's even more true today; guys on bonfires are rarer, some events go off without a bonfire at all (just having the fireworks as entertainment), and so on.

Really? Where do you see anti-catholic bigotry on Guy Fawkes night, the religious aspect of it is long forgotten and people dont really understand or care why it is a celebration, its just a bit of fun in the winter nights.

pessimizer 9y ago
In Northern Ireland, they literally put posters of Catholic politicians on the bonfires.
- celticninja 9y ago
  That's the 12th July not November 5th and Northern Ireland is not representative of the rest of the UK in this instance.
isostatic 9y ago
I suspect parts of Northern Ireland and Glasgow
confounded 9y ago
In Lewes for example (one of the biggest celebrations in the UK) they still burn an effigy of the pope every year. These days they burn Trump too, but the anti-Catholic traditions continue.
- onion2k 9y ago
  A particular quirk of British people is that we're very bad at stopping things that are considered traditions. We carry on with them long past the time they were relevant, maybe because none of us wants to be the one to question them. I doubt there's any anti-Catholic feeling in Lewes at all, but a lot of people who go along with burning an effigy of the pope because that's what they've always done. As a more obvious example, Lewes bonfire society only agreed to stop blacking up for Nov. 5th this year. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/05/lewes-bonfire-society-ends-tradition-criticised-for-being-racist https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/05/lewes-b...
voidifremoved 9y ago
I didn't even know that there was an anti-Catholic element to it, until I went to Lewes one year. It was eye-opening. For example, the Cliffe bonfire society refused to join the main parade because it meant giving up their "No Popery" traditions. http://www.cliffebonfire.com/history.html http://www.cliffebonfire.com/history.html
- celticninja 9y ago
  I have been to bonfire night in many places in the UK and never saw anything other than the guy being burned. Lewes is not representative of the UK as a whole.
  - andygates 9y ago
    Seconded. Lewes is a huge outlier.
  - voidifremoved 9y ago
    > evident in some parts
vincebowdren 9y ago
When I was in the scouts (80s Britain), our local Catholic group organised a bonfire for November 5th, same as everybody else. We all knew about the origins of the tradition and the gunpowder plot, but I never caught any anti-catholic prejudice at all; unlike a few exceptions (Lewes, Northern Ireland), there didn't seem to be much heavy historical consciousness about protestantism and catholicism. And if anything, I'd say that's even more true today; guys on bonfires are rarer, some events go off without a bonfire at all (just having the fireworks as entertainment), and so on.