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>Taxation is theft to begin with How is taxation theft exactly?

mindcrime 9y ago
Rather than repeat what's already been said many times before, I'll just refer you here: https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/is-taxation-theft https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/is-taxation-theft
- Clubber 9y ago
  No one likes paying taxes but calling it theft is intellectually dishonest and hyperbolic that attempts to paint taxation as immoral for people who like to think emotionally rather than rationally. I mean you happily use the services that taxes provide. Police, the legal system, roads, schools, libraries, anything created using the legal system, roads, schools or libraries, fuel exploration subsidies, research, etc. To use your hyperbolic analogy, using them without paying for them would be theft, therefore trying to mark taxation as immoral is trying to get out of paying for the services you use, which is in itself immoral and attempted theft. Finally, if you don't like paying taxes that much, you have a couple of options: a. you can not make any money, or b. you can get a boat and live in international waters. Ironically, you would still be benefiting from services provided through taxation, namely sea lane protection from piracy provided by the US Navy, paid for with taxes.
  - mindcrime 9y ago
    No one likes paying taxes but calling it theft is intellectually dishonest No, calling it anything but theft is "intellectually dishonest". I mean you happily use the services that taxes provide. Police, the legal system, roads, schools, libraries, anything created using the legal system, roads, schools or libraries, fuel exploration subsidies, research, etc. No, I don't happily use any of those things. I grudgingly use (some of) them because A. the State usually doesn't allow any other choices, and B. my stolen money was used to pay for them, so I might as well derive some benefit from it. But since the initial "transaction" was not voluntary, it's clearly theft.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      It's part of the citizenship deal. Renounce your citizenship or make less than $10K a year. Pretty simple. By retaining your citizenship and just complaining about it, you are accepting the deal. The document about taxes is the constitution. It's an opt-out agreement. You got a free ride up until 18, and can opt out anytime you wish. Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Rather than repeat what's already been said many times before, I'll just refer you here: https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/is-taxation-theft https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/is-taxation-theft

Clubber 9y ago
No one likes paying taxes but calling it theft is intellectually dishonest and hyperbolic that attempts to paint taxation as immoral for people who like to think emotionally rather than rationally. I mean you happily use the services that taxes provide. Police, the legal system, roads, schools, libraries, anything created using the legal system, roads, schools or libraries, fuel exploration subsidies, research, etc. To use your hyperbolic analogy, using them without paying for them would be theft, therefore trying to mark taxation as immoral is trying to get out of paying for the services you use, which is in itself immoral and attempted theft. Finally, if you don't like paying taxes that much, you have a couple of options: a. you can not make any money, or b. you can get a boat and live in international waters. Ironically, you would still be benefiting from services provided through taxation, namely sea lane protection from piracy provided by the US Navy, paid for with taxes.
- mindcrime 9y ago
  No one likes paying taxes but calling it theft is intellectually dishonest No, calling it anything but theft is "intellectually dishonest". I mean you happily use the services that taxes provide. Police, the legal system, roads, schools, libraries, anything created using the legal system, roads, schools or libraries, fuel exploration subsidies, research, etc. No, I don't happily use any of those things. I grudgingly use (some of) them because A. the State usually doesn't allow any other choices, and B. my stolen money was used to pay for them, so I might as well derive some benefit from it. But since the initial "transaction" was not voluntary, it's clearly theft.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    It's part of the citizenship deal. Renounce your citizenship or make less than $10K a year. Pretty simple. By retaining your citizenship and just complaining about it, you are accepting the deal. The document about taxes is the constitution. It's an opt-out agreement. You got a free ride up until 18, and can opt out anytime you wish. Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.