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Isn't it a celebration of the government foiling a religiously motivated terrorist plot, thanks to superior intelligence gathering and the torture of some of th

Isn't it a celebration of the government foiling a religiously motivated terrorist plot, thanks to superior intelligence gathering and the torture of some of the conspirators, and subsequently used as an excuse to grant the government more powers to crack down on the religious group? That seems like the kind of thing the people could get behind today.

moomin 9y ago
There’s also the fact that it was pretty much a setup, the group having been infiltrated some time before.
- andyjpb 9y ago
  Since 2006 it has been illegal in the UK to "glorify an act of terrorism". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2006 However, as per the article, it's been law since 1606 to "glorify" this particular act; especially because it was foiled.
  - jamiethompson 9y ago
    The terrorism act, of course, doesn't apply to any act of terrorism either sanctioned by or approved of by the government.
  - nicky0 9y ago
    That law was repealed some time ago.
olivermarks 9y ago
https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/guy-fawkes-the-gunpowder-plot-and-how-false-flag-operations-have-shaped-history/ https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/guy-fawkes-... A good read for paranoid types comparing the gunpowder 'plot' to September 11 2001 in the USA and resulting crackdowns... 'Fawkes was not apprehended in a basement room but rather a ground floor room, one remarkably easily rented by the plotters. There was, accordingly, no tunnel. The authorship of the letter by which the King learned of the plot is murky. It was turned over to the King by the Royal Chancellor, Sir Robert Cecil, the Earl of Salisbury. Sir Cecil I would characterize as the Dick Cheney of his day....' etc etc
- walshemj 9y ago
  The Cecils where the equivalent of the DCI or the heads of MI5 and MI6 - the BBC has a series on them currently airing
  - olivermarks 9y ago
    Thanks, I'll have to find that
    - olivermarks 9y ago
      watching first episode, are the commentators actors or people who have specialized in this? somewhat odd format...also dark/deep state parallels are interesting...

moomin 9y ago

There’s also the fact that it was pretty much a setup, the group having been infiltrated some time before.

andyjpb 9y ago
Since 2006 it has been illegal in the UK to "glorify an act of terrorism". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2006 However, as per the article, it's been law since 1606 to "glorify" this particular act; especially because it was foiled.
- jamiethompson 9y ago
  The terrorism act, of course, doesn't apply to any act of terrorism either sanctioned by or approved of by the government.
- nicky0 9y ago
  That law was repealed some time ago.

olivermarks 9y ago

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/guy-fawkes-the-gunpowder-plot-and-how-false-flag-operations-have-shaped-history/ https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/guy-fawkes-... A good read for paranoid types comparing the gunpowder 'plot' to September 11 2001 in the USA and resulting crackdowns... 'Fawkes was not apprehended in a basement room but rather a ground floor room, one remarkably easily rented by the plotters. There was, accordingly, no tunnel. The authorship of the letter by which the King learned of the plot is murky. It was turned over to the King by the Royal Chancellor, Sir Robert Cecil, the Earl of Salisbury. Sir Cecil I would characterize as the Dick Cheney of his day....' etc etc

walshemj 9y ago
The Cecils where the equivalent of the DCI or the heads of MI5 and MI6 - the BBC has a series on them currently airing
- olivermarks 9y ago
  Thanks, I'll have to find that
  - olivermarks 9y ago
    watching first episode, are the commentators actors or people who have specialized in this? somewhat odd format...also dark/deep state parallels are interesting...