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Paradise Papers: A Special Investigation – Paradise-Papers – The Guardian

192 points by yread 9y ago

rodgerd 9y ago
Gee, I wonder why this hasn't popped up through WikiLeaks.
yread 9y ago
Director of ICIJ said it's about 1/5th of offshore investments!
smhg 9y ago
When I click the News tab on Google's results for Paradise Papers I mainly get coverage from British and Australian sources. I have a hard time finding any in the US. Is this a Google filter (I'm in Europe)? Or related to the affiliations of the investigators? Or a time zone thing?
- patall 9y ago
  I read nytimes is on the team (but has not published anything yet). Edit: There you go https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/paradise-papers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/paradise-papers.htm...
- dazc 9y ago
  Could be a time zone thing or recent change where google return results based on your current location? https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-search-results-more-local-and-relevant/ https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-search-result... If you want results from US you can go to the google homepage > settings > search settings > region settings
  - smhg 9y ago
    It's indeed on 'Current region' and apparently that includes Australia and UK, but not US. Strange. As I'm writing this I've only found a mention on the nytimes homepage (rather small). In Europe it seems to be the main (breaking) news on most sites.
- killjoywashere 9y ago
  This bomb dropped Sunday in the US. There's plenty of coverage on the NYTimes front page. They obviously got early access.
  - smhg 9y ago
    It's still Sunday in Europe too. Compared to being the main (breaking) news on many (most?) major news sites in Europe, I'm genuinely curious why this difference? The main focus seems to be on 'remarkable' (for lack of a better word) ties between prominent people. I can't imagine there's less interest about this in the US? Or is there some fatigue?
brd 9y ago
1.4 TB of data. This is going to be a fun leak to watch unravel, especially in context of the all the political activity around Russian corruption.
- muxator 9y ago
  Is there a mirror? An ipfs link?
  - patall 9y ago
    If I remember correctly, none of the icij releases have ever been made public. Their assumption is that countries should change their laws if they want to access such files. (Also it is probably better like this to protect the sources)
  - efm 9y ago
    https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/pages/database https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/pages/database They offer a torrent.
  - phy6 9y ago
    I came here looking for one too. All they offer is the CSV that powers a Neo4J graph, not a link to the 1.4TB of files (which is what I want to ingest)
    - myaccountzz 9y ago
      >On November 5, 2017, ICIJ added data from some politicians featured in the Paradise Papers investigation. ICIJ will be releasing the full structured data connected to this investigation in the coming weeks.
ianai 9y ago
As much as I want this to lead to public change, I don’t think it will. The economy seems to be strong enough for people to overlook the outsized shares of others. I’m more shocked by the lack of outrage over the unfolding Trump-circle ties to Russia. People claim to be patriotic but welcoming to the Cold War’s nemesis.
- toyg 9y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/trump-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-business-links-putin-family-paradise-papers https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/trump-commerce-...
- r3bl 9y ago
  You should read it more thoroughly then, because Trump-Russia connection just might be explained by this leak.
clydethefrog 9y ago
Relevant for HN audience: "Leaked files show that a state-controlled bank in Moscow helped to fuel Yuri Milner’s ascent in Silicon Valley, where the Russia investigation has put tech companies under scrutiny" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-faceboo...
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- cyphunk 9y ago
  could someone explain, is the reveal here only that a state bank chose to invest its capital in american companies? should a bank not do that? I mean, Putin can lick my tiny gonads but I also think Al Franken and much of the media are channelling the dead corpse of McCarthy when they assume everyone should be suspicious of anything russian, so I'm generally suspicious of much of russia-bate being thrown out there. To me, when I read this article, I see greedy capitalists finding a profitable place to invest there capital, not much more.
  - ellius 9y ago
    People are definitely overreacting, but other people are underreacting. The Russian state-run banks are effectively Putin’s tools. So the question really becomes why did the Russian government choose to secretly move hundreds of millions of dollars into American tech companies. To my mind, there are two plausible answers. The first is that it was a way to offshore a bunch of wealth into what looked like a good investment. You can get into moral issues (e.g. is Russian oligarch money “dirty”), but I think it’s not very interesting or concerning from a national security perspective. An alternative is that Putin perceives many of these technology companies as crucial pieces in the power game, and wanted some level of access to / influence over them. That would be a much more concerning situation, because it means that they may have leveraged their ownership stake against American national interests. We don’t yet have evidence of that, but we should investigate the possibility.
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192 points by yread 9y ago

rodgerd 9y ago

Gee, I wonder why this hasn't popped up through WikiLeaks.

yread 9y ago

Director of ICIJ said it's about 1/5th of offshore investments!

smhg 9y ago

When I click the News tab on Google's results for Paradise Papers I mainly get coverage from British and Australian sources. I have a hard time finding any in the US. Is this a Google filter (I'm in Europe)? Or related to the affiliations of the investigators? Or a time zone thing?

patall 9y ago
I read nytimes is on the team (but has not published anything yet). Edit: There you go https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/paradise-papers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/paradise-papers.htm...
dazc 9y ago
Could be a time zone thing or recent change where google return results based on your current location? https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-search-results-more-local-and-relevant/ https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-search-result... If you want results from US you can go to the google homepage > settings > search settings > region settings
- smhg 9y ago
  It's indeed on 'Current region' and apparently that includes Australia and UK, but not US. Strange. As I'm writing this I've only found a mention on the nytimes homepage (rather small). In Europe it seems to be the main (breaking) news on most sites.
killjoywashere 9y ago
This bomb dropped Sunday in the US. There's plenty of coverage on the NYTimes front page. They obviously got early access.
- smhg 9y ago
  It's still Sunday in Europe too. Compared to being the main (breaking) news on many (most?) major news sites in Europe, I'm genuinely curious why this difference? The main focus seems to be on 'remarkable' (for lack of a better word) ties between prominent people. I can't imagine there's less interest about this in the US? Or is there some fatigue?

brd 9y ago

1.4 TB of data. This is going to be a fun leak to watch unravel, especially in context of the all the political activity around Russian corruption.

muxator 9y ago
Is there a mirror? An ipfs link?
- patall 9y ago
  If I remember correctly, none of the icij releases have ever been made public. Their assumption is that countries should change their laws if they want to access such files. (Also it is probably better like this to protect the sources)
- efm 9y ago
  https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/pages/database https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/pages/database They offer a torrent.
- phy6 9y ago
  I came here looking for one too. All they offer is the CSV that powers a Neo4J graph, not a link to the 1.4TB of files (which is what I want to ingest)
  - myaccountzz 9y ago
    >On November 5, 2017, ICIJ added data from some politicians featured in the Paradise Papers investigation. ICIJ will be releasing the full structured data connected to this investigation in the coming weeks.

ianai 9y ago

As much as I want this to lead to public change, I don’t think it will. The economy seems to be strong enough for people to overlook the outsized shares of others. I’m more shocked by the lack of outrage over the unfolding Trump-circle ties to Russia. People claim to be patriotic but welcoming to the Cold War’s nemesis.

toyg 9y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/trump-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-business-links-putin-family-paradise-papers https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/trump-commerce-...
r3bl 9y ago
You should read it more thoroughly then, because Trump-Russia connection just might be explained by this leak.

clydethefrog 9y ago

Relevant for HN audience: "Leaked files show that a state-controlled bank in Moscow helped to fuel Yuri Milner’s ascent in Silicon Valley, where the Russia investigation has put tech companies under scrutiny" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-faceboo...

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cyphunk 9y ago
could someone explain, is the reveal here only that a state bank chose to invest its capital in american companies? should a bank not do that? I mean, Putin can lick my tiny gonads but I also think Al Franken and much of the media are channelling the dead corpse of McCarthy when they assume everyone should be suspicious of anything russian, so I'm generally suspicious of much of russia-bate being thrown out there. To me, when I read this article, I see greedy capitalists finding a profitable place to invest there capital, not much more.
- ellius 9y ago
  People are definitely overreacting, but other people are underreacting. The Russian state-run banks are effectively Putin’s tools. So the question really becomes why did the Russian government choose to secretly move hundreds of millions of dollars into American tech companies. To my mind, there are two plausible answers. The first is that it was a way to offshore a bunch of wealth into what looked like a good investment. You can get into moral issues (e.g. is Russian oligarch money “dirty”), but I think it’s not very interesting or concerning from a national security perspective. An alternative is that Putin perceives many of these technology companies as crucial pieces in the power game, and wanted some level of access to / influence over them. That would be a much more concerning situation, because it means that they may have leveraged their ownership stake against American national interests. We don’t yet have evidence of that, but we should investigate the possibility.
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