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Or, like, my life is a nightmare for reasons X Y and Z and now I can't even go on vacation to a warm place when the winter comes? How much of flying is busines

by mbrock 9y ago

Or, like, my life is a nightmare for reasons X Y and Z and now I can't even go on vacation to a warm place when the winter comes? How much of flying is business travel anyway? You think people are going to tell their bosses they're not taking the plane for that sales meeting because of teh climate? Maybe a tiny amount of virtuous people, but generally hell no. The vegetarianism and animal rights movement has had many decades to convince people to give up meat and it's just not happening. People eat more and more meat.

chillingeffect 9y ago
> The vegetarianism and animal rights movement has had many decades to convince people to give up meat and it's just not happening. People eat more and more meat. Where are you getting your stats from? Vegetarianism seems on the rise to me. There are some stats to Back it up, too: 2.5% in 2009 to 5% in 2014. [1] http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/is-2014-the-year-of-the-vegan/ http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/is-2014-the-year-of-the-v...
- mbrock 9y ago
  I'm on mobile and can't find great sources, but there's OECD statistics and it seems like global meat consumption per capita rises. https://ensia.com/articles/these-maps-show-changes-in-global-meat-consumption-by-2024-heres-why-that-matters/ https://ensia.com/articles/these-maps-show-changes-in-global... I first heard about it in Swedish statistics when all my friends were vegetarians or vegans and I really expected the trend to be reversing but Swedes were indeed eating significantly more meat (this was a few years ago). From what I see in restaurants it seems obvious that meat eating is at no risk at all of declining except within a small enclave of virtuous herbivores. And from what I understand of human nature, a juicy steak or burger is way more vividly satisfying than the idea of marginally improving the climate prognosis. It's like if sex turned out to be harmful to coral reefs—people would kill themselves rather than go celibate.
- extra88 9y ago
  A few more Americans not eating meat is nothing compared to all the other Americans continuing to eat more (particularly by eating more chicken) but more importantly the rest of the world. https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consumption/ https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu...

by mbrock 9y ago

chillingeffect 9y ago

> The vegetarianism and animal rights movement has had many decades to convince people to give up meat and it's just not happening. People eat more and more meat. Where are you getting your stats from? Vegetarianism seems on the rise to me. There are some stats to Back it up, too: 2.5% in 2009 to 5% in 2014. [1] http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/is-2014-the-year-of-the-vegan/ http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/is-2014-the-year-of-the-v...

mbrock 9y ago
I'm on mobile and can't find great sources, but there's OECD statistics and it seems like global meat consumption per capita rises. https://ensia.com/articles/these-maps-show-changes-in-global-meat-consumption-by-2024-heres-why-that-matters/ https://ensia.com/articles/these-maps-show-changes-in-global... I first heard about it in Swedish statistics when all my friends were vegetarians or vegans and I really expected the trend to be reversing but Swedes were indeed eating significantly more meat (this was a few years ago). From what I see in restaurants it seems obvious that meat eating is at no risk at all of declining except within a small enclave of virtuous herbivores. And from what I understand of human nature, a juicy steak or burger is way more vividly satisfying than the idea of marginally improving the climate prognosis. It's like if sex turned out to be harmful to coral reefs—people would kill themselves rather than go celibate.
extra88 9y ago
A few more Americans not eating meat is nothing compared to all the other Americans continuing to eat more (particularly by eating more chicken) but more importantly the rest of the world. https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consumption/ https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu...