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Telling people to please stop doing things that are profoundly enjoyable, in opinion columns, seems like the stupidest possible idea for how to solve the climat
by mbrock 9y ago
Telling people to please stop doing things that are profoundly enjoyable, in opinion columns, seems like the stupidest possible idea for how to solve the climate crisis.
- jacobush 9y agoAlso, you see, other peoples' travelings are mostly stupid and pointless, but my own travels enriches the world!
- mbrock 9y agoOr, like, my life is a nightmare for reasons X Y and Z and now I can't even go on vacation to a warm place when the winter comes? How much of flying is business travel anyway? You think people are going to tell their bosses they're not taking the plane for that sales meeting because of teh climate? Maybe a tiny amount of virtuous people, but generally hell no. The vegetarianism and animal rights movement has had many decades to convince people to give up meat and it's just not happening. People eat more and more meat.
- chillingeffect 9y ago> The vegetarianism and animal rights movement has had many decades to convince people to give up meat and it's just not happening. People eat more and more meat. Where are you getting your stats from? Vegetarianism seems on the rise to me. There are some stats to Back it up, too: 2.5% in 2009 to 5% in 2014. [1] http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/is-2014-the-year-of-the-vegan/ http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/is-2014-the-year-of-the-v...
- mbrock 9y agoI'm on mobile and can't find great sources, but there's OECD statistics and it seems like global meat consumption per capita rises. https://ensia.com/articles/these-maps-show-changes-in-global-meat-consumption-by-2024-heres-why-that-matters/ https://ensia.com/articles/these-maps-show-changes-in-global... I first heard about it in Swedish statistics when all my friends were vegetarians or vegans and I really expected the trend to be reversing but Swedes were indeed eating significantly more meat (this was a few years ago). From what I see in restaurants it seems obvious that meat eating is at no risk at all of declining except within a small enclave of virtuous herbivores. And from what I understand of human nature, a juicy steak or burger is way more vividly satisfying than the idea of marginally improving the climate prognosis. It's like if sex turned out to be harmful to coral reefs—people would kill themselves rather than go celibate.
- extra88 9y agoA few more Americans not eating meat is nothing compared to all the other Americans continuing to eat more (particularly by eating more chicken) but more importantly the rest of the world. https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consumption/ https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu...
- Turing_Machine 9y agoSee also: Leonardo DiCaprio and his cronies taking private jets and mega-yachts to "global warming summits".
- yongjik 9y agoShark fin soup has been a highly prized delicacy in Chinese cuisine. I'm sure many Chinese people (who could afford it) found the experience profoundly enjoyable. Many environmentalists, including the basketball celebrity Yao Ming, campaigned against it, highlighting how the world's shark population is collapsing. Shark fin sales dropped by 70% in China. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/chinas-choice/2014/aug/08/sales-of-shark-fin-china-drop-70 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/chinas-choice/2014/a...