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I feel you should have more empathy for people that do not look like you. For some people, race, fighting for for recognition, let alone equality, is a daily b

I feel you should have more empathy for people that do not look like you. For some people, race, fighting for for recognition, let alone equality, is a daily battle. You may live and work far from this conflict, but it exists, and in some part the diversity modifiers for emoji provide folks with empowerment. Don't take that away over limitations in the spec. There are billions now who own smart phones, and want that funny Japanese Telco encoding standard to reflect their world too. This is not a technical or standards problem, and the fitzpatrick modifiers do not decrease functionality of unicode. I feel my point is to chill, and consider how functionality outside your perceived value might bring others joy.

Oxitendwe 9y ago
>For some people, race, fighting for for recognition, let alone equality, is a daily battle. You may live and work far from this conflict, but it exists, and in some part the diversity modifiers for emoji provide folks with empowerment. Have you ever considered how condescending it is to these people to say that white people need to be the ones to give these people the ability to "reflect their world" via technology by encoding things relevant to other groups of people in the specifications they write? Why don't these people "fighting for recognition" write their specifications, and their own software? Making white people do it for them cannot be empowerment - it's charity, and with that charity comes dependence, which is the exact opposite of "empowerment". The only real empowerment comes from the self, not by other people deigning to give you things for free so their peers will think more highly of them.
- maxerickson 9y ago
  So read what you wrote and take note that you've implicitly assumed that Unicode and so on are strictly a product of "white people", a ridiculous notion.
microcolonel 9y ago
> I feel you should have more empathy for people that do not look like you. Quite literally nobody has bright yellow skin. Emoji are not human beings, they are エモ → e-mo → emotion 字 → ji → characters (update: apparently I've been misled, but not in a way which changes my point, see reply below). The codepoints do not contain, have never contained, and will never contain a racial identity. They are an abstract representation of universal human emotions, just as generic as single-line ASCII emoticons. Nobody's racial identity was represented by Unicode emoji faces to begin with, and certainly nobody any less than me.
- Grue3 9y ago
  Actually, "emoji" is 絵[e] (picture) + 文字[moji] (character). A lot of them do not represent emotions, but just random pictograms. In my opinion while encoding pictures as text was a good idea at the time (due to limitations of mobile text messages), it makes no sense in 2017 where we have technology to easily inline any picture in the text even on mobile phones.
  - sova 9y ago
    Well, it is technologically possible yes, but we as humans often make the compromise for practicality and communication. Perhaps there are better tuned parameter glyphs that represent screens. ️
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    > Actually, "emoji" is 絵[e] (picture) + 文字[moji] (character). A lot of them do not represent emotions, but just random pictograms. Thanks, I really do wonder why people lie to me or make things up. I guess that's what I get for never typing it into my IME in full. > In my opinion while encoding pictures as text was a good idea at the time (due to limitations of mobile text messages), it makes no sense in 2017 where we have technology to easily inline any picture in the text even on mobile phones. Even at the time, the character set was apparently meant to replace common phrases and text emoticons (for SMS, as you note). There's frankly no way anyone would have the time and energy to produce high quality custom images for simple messages, save for selfies.
    - grzm 9y ago
      It's not hard to imagine people making that assumption, as it is reasonable if not correct, particularly as "emoticons" and "emoji" are often used to describe the same or similar non-character glyphs. There's no need to assume bad faith on others, any more than it would be to assume ill on your part for repeating it without confirming it.
      - microcolonel 9y ago
EddieSpeaks 9y ago
Oh f* off, yellow emojis were perfectly fine until you lot cane around and started adding gender fluid and race fluid nonsense. It’s a writing system who cares about what colour an emoji is. Unicorns are pink and frogs are green. If you want equality then stop trying to push for obvious differentiators to especially point to what your skin Color is over a simple tweet. You’re what’s wrong with the internet
bearbearbear 9y ago
> For some people, race, fighting for for recognition, let alone equality, is a daily battle. You don't need to create a new character set to do that. People fight daily against salmonella and we don't have salmonella emoji. Also, if you're fighting for identity you're part of the problem -- you should be fighting for ambiguity. You see, equal rights goes both ways. If you demand special rights because you're different, that's not equal. You want equal rights? You got it. Let's have a straight pride parade tomorrow. Then we'll have a men's rights rally.

Oxitendwe 9y ago

>For some people, race, fighting for for recognition, let alone equality, is a daily battle. You may live and work far from this conflict, but it exists, and in some part the diversity modifiers for emoji provide folks with empowerment. Have you ever considered how condescending it is to these people to say that white people need to be the ones to give these people the ability to "reflect their world" via technology by encoding things relevant to other groups of people in the specifications they write? Why don't these people "fighting for recognition" write their specifications, and their own software? Making white people do it for them cannot be empowerment - it's charity, and with that charity comes dependence, which is the exact opposite of "empowerment". The only real empowerment comes from the self, not by other people deigning to give you things for free so their peers will think more highly of them.

maxerickson 9y ago
So read what you wrote and take note that you've implicitly assumed that Unicode and so on are strictly a product of "white people", a ridiculous notion.

microcolonel 9y ago

> I feel you should have more empathy for people that do not look like you. Quite literally nobody has bright yellow skin. Emoji are not human beings, they are エモ → e-mo → emotion 字 → ji → characters (update: apparently I've been misled, but not in a way which changes my point, see reply below). The codepoints do not contain, have never contained, and will never contain a racial identity. They are an abstract representation of universal human emotions, just as generic as single-line ASCII emoticons. Nobody's racial identity was represented by Unicode emoji faces to begin with, and certainly nobody any less than me.

Grue3 9y ago
Actually, "emoji" is 絵[e] (picture) + 文字[moji] (character). A lot of them do not represent emotions, but just random pictograms. In my opinion while encoding pictures as text was a good idea at the time (due to limitations of mobile text messages), it makes no sense in 2017 where we have technology to easily inline any picture in the text even on mobile phones.
- sova 9y ago
  Well, it is technologically possible yes, but we as humans often make the compromise for practicality and communication. Perhaps there are better tuned parameter glyphs that represent screens. ️
- microcolonel 9y ago
  > Actually, "emoji" is 絵[e] (picture) + 文字[moji] (character). A lot of them do not represent emotions, but just random pictograms. Thanks, I really do wonder why people lie to me or make things up. I guess that's what I get for never typing it into my IME in full. > In my opinion while encoding pictures as text was a good idea at the time (due to limitations of mobile text messages), it makes no sense in 2017 where we have technology to easily inline any picture in the text even on mobile phones. Even at the time, the character set was apparently meant to replace common phrases and text emoticons (for SMS, as you note). There's frankly no way anyone would have the time and energy to produce high quality custom images for simple messages, save for selfies.
  - grzm 9y ago
    It's not hard to imagine people making that assumption, as it is reasonable if not correct, particularly as "emoticons" and "emoji" are often used to describe the same or similar non-character glyphs. There's no need to assume bad faith on others, any more than it would be to assume ill on your part for repeating it without confirming it.
    - microcolonel 9y ago

EddieSpeaks 9y ago

Oh f* off, yellow emojis were perfectly fine until you lot cane around and started adding gender fluid and race fluid nonsense. It’s a writing system who cares about what colour an emoji is. Unicorns are pink and frogs are green. If you want equality then stop trying to push for obvious differentiators to especially point to what your skin Color is over a simple tweet. You’re what’s wrong with the internet

bearbearbear 9y ago

> For some people, race, fighting for for recognition, let alone equality, is a daily battle. You don't need to create a new character set to do that. People fight daily against salmonella and we don't have salmonella emoji. Also, if you're fighting for identity you're part of the problem -- you should be fighting for ambiguity. You see, equal rights goes both ways. If you demand special rights because you're different, that's not equal. You want equal rights? You got it. Let's have a straight pride parade tomorrow. Then we'll have a men's rights rally.