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From a general ai perspective, these girls show us the possibility of having multiple self-iterating recursive identities share the same physical and mental res
by Lambdanaut 9y ago
From a general ai perspective, these girls show us the possibility of having multiple self-iterating recursive identities share the same physical and mental resources.
From a philosophical perspective I applaud Mother Nature for spitting on our idea of limited identity in such a compellingly materialistic way. The Ship of Theseus is a good wikipedia search for a thinker's first thoughts about identity.
And from a human perspective, these girls will show us the struggles and triumphs of two individuals pioneering so far from the central finite curve of human experience, and with such a supportive mother like that, I believe they will do it in spades.
- SomeStupidPoint 9y ago> far from the central finite curve of human experience Do you mean anything in particular for this, or are you appropriating a TV show phrase to mean "unusual"? (Just pointing out that the 'central finite curve' is something that has meaning to Ricks but isn't really a stand in for 'usual' in any meaningful sense in the context of the TV show -- I'd hate for what's potentially a cool sci-fi idea to turn into a euphemism for "the shell of a high dimensional normal distribution".)
- StavrosK 9y agoI don't know about the OP specifically, but I generally dislike that sort of writing. It uses underspecified concepts in an attempt to sound smart, but all it does is fail to convey much meaning. Whenever I come across it, I think "this person wanted to say something smarter than they could, so they dressed it up in smart-speak".
- datawarrior 9y agoDunning-Kruger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
- trentmb 9y agoTurgid prose
- SomeStupidPoint 9y ago> It uses underspecified concepts in an attempt to sound smart, but all it does is fail to convey much meaning. That sounds like it conveyed the meaning perfectly: they wanted to present an idea that struck you as smart, but which you didn't understand -- we're meant to see the show as Morty, not Rick. So we just get a Rick-ism that clearly has some structure to how the Ricks are organized (which the Ricks understand), but which doesn't immediately mean anything more to us. Rick and Morty isn't a science lecture -- we should expect narrative language, not scientific language. It suggests that the Ricks are organized around some central, finite core of Rick-ness that we don't know about (notice that they have worse lives as they acquire letter variations on their curve numbers, eg TV personalities on the citadel). That's the point -- they don't want to get into a detail physics argument about it, but frame a (later revealed) structure among the Ricks. I just don't think we should assume that structure is the shell of a normal distribution instead of something Fry-esque (ie, I'm-my-own-grandfather shit) -- we should leave them the room to insert whatever structure fits narrative-wise when we get to the point that makes sense in the story.
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- Lambdanaut 9y agoMy personal philosophy sees no difference between an "unusual" branching and what Rick ultimately is referring to. I'm happy you noticed my reference there, and give you full liberty to feel any which way you may about it.
- SomeStupidPoint 9y agoMy point is that retard Rick could be the "central finite curve", and the other Ricks just hate the fact so much they made up a euphemism for him but don't kill him out of a fear of destabilizing the system of Ricks. We don't really know what it is at the core, and so these girls could very well be the human "central finite curve", and not "off" it in any sense. I was suggesting we not project our biases onto things like "central finite curve", eg that it's a curve which embodies "normalcy", until we see what role they actually play in the story.
- Lambdanaut 9y agoI agree 100% with you. We each have our own "central finite curve", and we bend it by working with novelty.
- pvaldes 9y ago> I applaud Mother Nature for spitting on our idea of limited identity The true mother nature's plan was probably killing the mother and both girls at birth time. I would thank the obstetrician at charge and his/her team instead.
- datawarrior 9y agoFlip side of that is Mother Nature also made the doctors who made it possible for them to live. We can’t view the doctors as some outside force.
- sandworm101 9y agoBy that logic all technology is "natural" and there is no distinction between the inventions of man and the creations of nature/god. Such logic sidelines self reflection, leading to horrible places.
- MereInterest 9y agoNo, it just means that self reflection must be based on something other than an arbitrary and meaningless distinction between things that existed before humanity and things that existed after humanity.
- jnordwick 9y agoSo climate change is a natural phenomenon under that interpretation?
- JoBrad 9y agoIf we see ourselves as part of nature, but with a unique ability to impact more of nature than most other forces within nature, I think we would have a greater imperative to rectify mistakes we have made, vs seeing issues like climate change as mostly impact “others.”