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Do we have any numbers of how many of these foreign individuals stay in the country after graduation? When you think about how immigration works, immigrants are

Do we have any numbers of how many of these foreign individuals stay in the country after graduation? When you think about how immigration works, immigrants are very disproportionately likely to be high-performing individuals, given the criteria for them to enter the country. If they stay in the country to contribute to the economy after graduation, then all I can say is that I'm glad they still think that this is a desirable country to come to.

gervase 9y ago
I can't speak to overall statistical numbers, but of the 75+ international graduate students that I've spoken to, I would estimate at least 85% plan to stay in the U.S. I find this particularly surprising given that their status is essentially that of indentured servants; their advisors can deport them at any time with only 14 days of notice. This one-way power dynamic can produce cruel, callous treatment and merciless working hours, both of which I've observed first-hand. And yet, these same professors will turn around and collaborate politely and respectfully with American students (assuming that they will take on American students in their labs; many will not!). It's really very depressing.
- rdtsc 9y ago
  My friend quit his postdoc with a prestigious researcher in his field after witnessing the abuse the international students in the same group were subjected to.
  - c517402 9y ago
    My friend stopped graduate school at a MS and didn’t pursue a PhD because all the American grad students were forced to take teaching assistantships while the foreign grad students were given research assistantships.
  - gras 9y ago
    Thr flipside is discrimination against whites, because they're less easy to exploit in the academic threadmill... kind of like affirmitive action, discriminating against whites while also paternalizing minorities, promoting them beyond their competence and throwing a shadow over their accomplishments, "Did I just get this job because I'm a fag?", hurting both groups and only benefitting big money. Universities are the banks' game and have been a while. One challenge of this century will be retaking the gateways to the job market, but it's not just that, every well has been poisoned and every root cut. Dangerous days.
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surfmike 9y ago
Indeed, I think this is one of the biggest strengths of the US. Think about many of the smartest minds in science of the 20th century— many were immigrants to the US.

gervase 9y ago

I can't speak to overall statistical numbers, but of the 75+ international graduate students that I've spoken to, I would estimate at least 85% plan to stay in the U.S. I find this particularly surprising given that their status is essentially that of indentured servants; their advisors can deport them at any time with only 14 days of notice. This one-way power dynamic can produce cruel, callous treatment and merciless working hours, both of which I've observed first-hand. And yet, these same professors will turn around and collaborate politely and respectfully with American students (assuming that they will take on American students in their labs; many will not!). It's really very depressing.

rdtsc 9y ago
My friend quit his postdoc with a prestigious researcher in his field after witnessing the abuse the international students in the same group were subjected to.
- c517402 9y ago
  My friend stopped graduate school at a MS and didn’t pursue a PhD because all the American grad students were forced to take teaching assistantships while the foreign grad students were given research assistantships.
- gras 9y ago
  Thr flipside is discrimination against whites, because they're less easy to exploit in the academic threadmill... kind of like affirmitive action, discriminating against whites while also paternalizing minorities, promoting them beyond their competence and throwing a shadow over their accomplishments, "Did I just get this job because I'm a fag?", hurting both groups and only benefitting big money. Universities are the banks' game and have been a while. One challenge of this century will be retaking the gateways to the job market, but it's not just that, every well has been poisoned and every root cut. Dangerous days.
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surfmike 9y ago

Indeed, I think this is one of the biggest strengths of the US. Think about many of the smartest minds in science of the 20th century— many were immigrants to the US.