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Oh..I didn't know that your Ferrari had a shit finish, you must have been quite unlucky...

serf 9y ago
I can personally attest to the poor quality of Lamborghini paint and coating from 98 til 2011. The dashes split apart, all the clear coat on the carbon elements falls off, the paint oxidizes. Park a 2003 Murcielago next to a 98 Lexus or Toyota (of any kind). You'll be real surprised which one weathered better. Anyway, I digress, but I can agree with the point that 'high end car' is a lot different than 'high quality car' or 'long lasting car'.
- tigershark 9y ago
  So do you mean as soon as it was sold in 1998 to Audi, a German group, right? And what it has to do with the "abysmal" finish of Italian high end car?
  - tboughen 9y ago
    Land Rovers are designed, manufactured and (around the corner from me in Herefordshire) tested in the UK. Jaguar Land Rover is owned by Tata. Does that make them Indian cars?
    - tigershark 9y ago
      Quality apparently is on par with other tata models, so from my humble point of view I'd say yes.
  - lovich 9y ago
    Well shit, this thread didn't prepare me for this big a goalpost move Edit: That was overly sarcastic but it went from talking about italian cars, to Ferrari specifically, to implying that the Italian brand is fine as long as it has Italian owners. Discussions are pointless if everyone's going to be arguing different points
    - tigershark 9y ago
      I am sorry, but I think you didn't follow properly the discussion. The first quote I answered was exactly: "Fit and finish on many "high end" cars is actually pretty abysmal. Especially basically anything Italian." So, as everyone can see, the discussion was specifically around high end Italian cars, unless I'm missing some tricky and specific nuance of the English language in this context. In that case please enlighten me instead of writing sarcastic comments, it will be appreciated much more. Ferrari, if I'm not mistaken, is the archetype of high end Italian cars. And then when someone starts bubbling about the abysmal quality of 1998 Lamborghini I duly make it clear that they were not Italian for a long time at that point and they have been just acquired by a German automaker. I honestly can't see any contradiction in this very linear reasoning. Please let me know what I'm missing.
      - lovich 9y ago
        The point I found missing was why ferarri was brought up if you could point to 1998 as the time is was no longer high end for a legitimate reason, the foreign ownership. Someone could have conceived a child after that point in time and the child would be able to vote by now, why use it as an example? It seemed like either you knew what the other poster meant by Italian high end cars, the Ferrari brand, and chose to defend it despite knowing that it was bad for other reasons. Or you thought he was discussing Italian owned Italian brands when it turns out some famous Italian brands are not Italian owned. Either way that looks like you two were using different definitions for the same words to my third party view
        tigershark 9y ago
        Ehm.. Are you aware that Lamborghini and Ferrari are two completely different car brands right? Ferrari is Italian, Lamborghini was Italian and was sold to different parties since the 80's or something like that. From 1998 Lamborghini is German. In my original comment I said that I would be very surprised to find a Ferrari with a shit finish, and another user said that Lamborghini from 1998 to 2011 had abysmal paint quality. So I don't see any contradiction in my comments.
fgonzag 9y ago
I've driven ferraris in las vegas racetracks. Affordable experience. The fit and finish was far below any luxury vehicle by far. The R8 was miles ahead in comfort and luxury details, but then those cars are not not designed as a luxury vehicle.

serf 9y ago

I can personally attest to the poor quality of Lamborghini paint and coating from 98 til 2011. The dashes split apart, all the clear coat on the carbon elements falls off, the paint oxidizes. Park a 2003 Murcielago next to a 98 Lexus or Toyota (of any kind). You'll be real surprised which one weathered better. Anyway, I digress, but I can agree with the point that 'high end car' is a lot different than 'high quality car' or 'long lasting car'.

tigershark 9y ago
So do you mean as soon as it was sold in 1998 to Audi, a German group, right? And what it has to do with the "abysmal" finish of Italian high end car?
- tboughen 9y ago
  Land Rovers are designed, manufactured and (around the corner from me in Herefordshire) tested in the UK. Jaguar Land Rover is owned by Tata. Does that make them Indian cars?
  - tigershark 9y ago
    Quality apparently is on par with other tata models, so from my humble point of view I'd say yes.
- lovich 9y ago
  Well shit, this thread didn't prepare me for this big a goalpost move Edit: That was overly sarcastic but it went from talking about italian cars, to Ferrari specifically, to implying that the Italian brand is fine as long as it has Italian owners. Discussions are pointless if everyone's going to be arguing different points
  - tigershark 9y ago
    I am sorry, but I think you didn't follow properly the discussion. The first quote I answered was exactly: "Fit and finish on many "high end" cars is actually pretty abysmal. Especially basically anything Italian." So, as everyone can see, the discussion was specifically around high end Italian cars, unless I'm missing some tricky and specific nuance of the English language in this context. In that case please enlighten me instead of writing sarcastic comments, it will be appreciated much more. Ferrari, if I'm not mistaken, is the archetype of high end Italian cars. And then when someone starts bubbling about the abysmal quality of 1998 Lamborghini I duly make it clear that they were not Italian for a long time at that point and they have been just acquired by a German automaker. I honestly can't see any contradiction in this very linear reasoning. Please let me know what I'm missing.
    - lovich 9y ago
      The point I found missing was why ferarri was brought up if you could point to 1998 as the time is was no longer high end for a legitimate reason, the foreign ownership. Someone could have conceived a child after that point in time and the child would be able to vote by now, why use it as an example? It seemed like either you knew what the other poster meant by Italian high end cars, the Ferrari brand, and chose to defend it despite knowing that it was bad for other reasons. Or you thought he was discussing Italian owned Italian brands when it turns out some famous Italian brands are not Italian owned. Either way that looks like you two were using different definitions for the same words to my third party view
      - tigershark 9y ago
        Ehm.. Are you aware that Lamborghini and Ferrari are two completely different car brands right? Ferrari is Italian, Lamborghini was Italian and was sold to different parties since the 80's or something like that. From 1998 Lamborghini is German. In my original comment I said that I would be very surprised to find a Ferrari with a shit finish, and another user said that Lamborghini from 1998 to 2011 had abysmal paint quality. So I don't see any contradiction in my comments.

fgonzag 9y ago

I've driven ferraris in las vegas racetracks. Affordable experience. The fit and finish was far below any luxury vehicle by far. The R8 was miles ahead in comfort and luxury details, but then those cars are not not designed as a luxury vehicle.