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Lots of emotional comments with the usual I-hate-MS bent, without a single reference to data showing Azure [Linux VM] users or non-users. Always shocking to see

Lots of emotional comments with the usual I-hate-MS bent, without a single reference to data showing Azure [Linux VM] users or non-users. Always shocking to see individuals who claim to be rational and open-minded in one domain become irrational, closed and judgemental in another.

gaius 9y ago
Azure is great. It's the secret weapon of those who took the time to evaluate the clouds instead of just following the crowds.
- tytytytytytytyt 9y ago
  Why is it better than AWS or others?
  - gaius 9y ago
    More and better layered services (e.g. MLStudio), more regions/locations, option of going hybrid (Azure Stack), better container support with per-second billing, the list goes on and on.
    - hackerfromthefu 9y ago
      Is their hybrid cloud a real thing now? I remember them touting it around 5 years ago, but for years it just never arrived, till I gave up waiting. Just seemed like a bait and switch actually.
- jdc0589 9y ago
  I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a secret weapon, but they have added a HUGE amount of services in a very short amount of time relative to the other player. I still don't like though.
tytytytytytytyt 9y ago
> Lots of emotional comments with the usual I-hate-MS bent How do you even get that from these comments? Is 3 comments 'lots' now?
jmkni 9y ago
> Always shocking to see individuals who claim to be rational and open-minded in one domain become irrational, closed and judgemental in another Is this your first time on Hacker News?
- craftyguy 9y ago
  It's their first time on the internet.
dec0dedab0de 9y ago
Is it really irrational to distrust Microsoft? I mean, they seem to be much more palatable lately, but does that mean we should completely forget their history? I'm all for using the best technology for the job, but when you're in a close call situation I think it's okay to rely on an organizations history to make a decision.
- rrhd 9y ago
  Yes, when you don't apply the same logic to the other large tech companies.
  - pedrocr 9y ago
    Is there another large tech company with the history of wrongdoing that Microsoft has? They're a convicted monopolist that personally affected a large subset of the developer community with repercussions that took decades to solve (if they're solved at all).
- srean 9y ago
  Especially so when culture changes slowly.
devrandomguy 9y ago
I'm sure Azure has great stats on paper, it's not the simple, easy-to-measure data that concerns us. I'm also sure that Azure is currently treating their clients really well, in the spirit of "the first hit is free". What is concerning, is not the effects of their current actions, but rather what their current actions say about their future plans, given MS' history of "embrace, extend, extinguish". With MS, the EEE process should be your null hypothesis when you are trying to predict their behavior. Having said that, I am not against the idea of taking advantage of an opponent who prostrates themselves, just make sure that you can safely extricate yourself from the trap. If you want to deploy on Azure, make sure it's a multi cloud deployment with some insulation above the infrastructure, like Mesos or Kube. Which precludes using the more specialized services, but seriously, who pipes unencrypted data through 3rd party message queues? That's just crazy.
tofflos 9y ago
It's never going to change. Just like it hasn't changed for the Church. Sure, _now_ the Church takes care of little old ladies but don't forget the bad old days when they had the Inquisition! It's only been 200 years. ;-)
- pedrocr 9y ago
  That seems like a huge strawman. All the criticism I've ever seen of the Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Inquisition or anything that far back. There's enough to discuss over the last few decades or even just the present day to fill any serious attempt at the topic.

gaius 9y ago

Azure is great. It's the secret weapon of those who took the time to evaluate the clouds instead of just following the crowds.

tytytytytytytyt 9y ago
Why is it better than AWS or others?
- gaius 9y ago
  More and better layered services (e.g. MLStudio), more regions/locations, option of going hybrid (Azure Stack), better container support with per-second billing, the list goes on and on.
  - hackerfromthefu 9y ago
    Is their hybrid cloud a real thing now? I remember them touting it around 5 years ago, but for years it just never arrived, till I gave up waiting. Just seemed like a bait and switch actually.
jdc0589 9y ago
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a secret weapon, but they have added a HUGE amount of services in a very short amount of time relative to the other player. I still don't like though.

tytytytytytytyt 9y ago

> Lots of emotional comments with the usual I-hate-MS bent How do you even get that from these comments? Is 3 comments 'lots' now?

jmkni 9y ago

> Always shocking to see individuals who claim to be rational and open-minded in one domain become irrational, closed and judgemental in another Is this your first time on Hacker News?

craftyguy 9y ago
It's their first time on the internet.

dec0dedab0de 9y ago

Is it really irrational to distrust Microsoft? I mean, they seem to be much more palatable lately, but does that mean we should completely forget their history? I'm all for using the best technology for the job, but when you're in a close call situation I think it's okay to rely on an organizations history to make a decision.

rrhd 9y ago
Yes, when you don't apply the same logic to the other large tech companies.
- pedrocr 9y ago
  Is there another large tech company with the history of wrongdoing that Microsoft has? They're a convicted monopolist that personally affected a large subset of the developer community with repercussions that took decades to solve (if they're solved at all).
srean 9y ago
Especially so when culture changes slowly.

devrandomguy 9y ago

I'm sure Azure has great stats on paper, it's not the simple, easy-to-measure data that concerns us. I'm also sure that Azure is currently treating their clients really well, in the spirit of "the first hit is free". What is concerning, is not the effects of their current actions, but rather what their current actions say about their future plans, given MS' history of "embrace, extend, extinguish". With MS, the EEE process should be your null hypothesis when you are trying to predict their behavior. Having said that, I am not against the idea of taking advantage of an opponent who prostrates themselves, just make sure that you can safely extricate yourself from the trap. If you want to deploy on Azure, make sure it's a multi cloud deployment with some insulation above the infrastructure, like Mesos or Kube. Which precludes using the more specialized services, but seriously, who pipes unencrypted data through 3rd party message queues? That's just crazy.

tofflos 9y ago

It's never going to change. Just like it hasn't changed for the Church. Sure, _now_ the Church takes care of little old ladies but don't forget the bad old days when they had the Inquisition! It's only been 200 years. ;-)

pedrocr 9y ago
That seems like a huge strawman. All the criticism I've ever seen of the Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Inquisition or anything that far back. There's enough to discuss over the last few decades or even just the present day to fill any serious attempt at the topic.