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Runa is hiring Clojure developers

56 points by amitrathore 16y ago

strlen 16y ago
Cool, sounds like an interesting project and the perfect use case for Clojure. How do you intend to differentiate yourself from Direct Edge (my take is you're specifically looking to target CTRs rather than build a recommendation engine?) as well as a start-up in San Mateo the name of which escapes me which does something like this (but is well funded and more enterprise focused)? Best of luck!
MADMEN 16y ago
Maybe I got started on wrong foot here: here is my analysis, hopefully non trollish 1. Their business seems to focused on analytics/data mining 2. In that case their primary requirement should be for people who have experience in distributed computing , map - reduce, data mining, visualization 3. Instead you find them talking about clojure, a language which has a very small user base and not at all used in ML / data mining. 4. This seems fishy I can name several startups identica, cellexis and other who are in nearly similar area, and you can have a look at their job requirements. 5. All above points lead me to conclude that this company is being run by people who focus too much on knowing a certain language, rather than focusing on tools of the trade. Which is un understandable. 6. It gives a feel that the company is looking for someone who can write automated sys admin scripts rather than work on acutal statistical models or interface. The latter two jobs are considered a bit more interesting than just cluster maintainace in clojure. Regarding few points i made earlier: 1. Clojure is second class beacuse of lack of support or user group. 2. Regarding a comment by strlen on python not being used, python + hadoop streaming or python + c libraries are preffered solution in both research as well as production environments. There are also quite a few good C++ libraries such as SNAP. In my opinion if you are ending up working with java after using clojure it makes more sense to code in java itself. This actually describes a perfect case of creating lisp in your language of choice situation.
praptak 16y ago
Putting location on the hiring page would be helpful. Spoiler: http://runa.com/contact-us/ http://runa.com/contact-us/
- khill 16y ago
  It's stated on the "Destiny" page with a note that they will provide relocation assistance. http://www.workatruna.com/destiny.html http://www.workatruna.com/destiny.html
bitsai 16y ago
I'm quite intrigued by the solicitation for FPS experience on the Clojure developer page.
- dpritchett 16y ago
  I'm going to submit my old CS .cfg files alongside a Clojure project from github.
- plinkplonk 16y ago
  I suspect it means nothing more than that FPS es are what people play on the PS3 s or XBoxes in the office! Glad to be mistaken though. Amit?
  - amitrathore 16y ago
    Yes, we play Quake III Arena these days. We're also starting Team Fortress 2, now that Steam was released for Mac.
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plinkplonk 16y ago
What do people on HN think of the idea behind this startup? Do you think it has the potential to be huge and/or a good acquisition target? Would you apply/Are you applying for this job? Why or why not? It certainly sounds like they have everything (business case /tech etc) well laid out. If I were a potential employee I'd have liked some information on what kind of equity a new employee could expect - RethinkDB set the standard here (http://www.rethinkdb.com/jobs/ http://www.rethinkdb.com/jobs/), but other than that very very minor quibble i think this is as good a recruiting pitch as I have seen. (Due Disclosure: (a) Amit Rathore is a good friend of mine. (b) I have nothing to do with Runa or this ad. I am just curious as to how people here perceive the opportunity).
- Arun2009 16y ago
  From my personal experience, Amazon's ploy of suggesting related books has been very effective on me. I've often gone there with the intention of spending perhaps USD 40 on a specific book and ended up spending thrice that amount (happily!). Hence a suggestion, FWIW: in addition to improving conversion rate, it might be also worthwhile to try to sell more stuff to existing customers. You know what they want and you know they're not averse to spending money online.
- noelwelsh 16y ago
  The idea is sound. There are a bunch of people in the same area; I'm not sure how Runa differentiate themselves.
MADMEN 16y ago
Sorry, but I dont get point of using an Obscure language like Clojure. Also how are they different from directed edge a YC funded start up. If they are doing predictive analysis/machine learning stuff, It makes sense to use Java, Python and C in that order since Java is what Hadoop is written in, while python and C allow very low dev time and latter provides extremely fast execution. Using an unproven second class language like clojure shows that the team behind this project has a little experience in statistical modeling and related fields. No one case which lanugage you use if its FP or ruby or even worse fortran. In statistical modeling it finally boils down to fast execution of some sort of huge matrix multiplication. Really the only concern w.r.t language is readability/ compatibility with existing systems and low dev. time
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- dcotter 16y ago
  Clojure is a Lisp for the JVM, so in a sense they are using Java. Besides, Clojure has been used in several high-throughput data analysis applications (FlightCaster for one), so it's not exactly an "unproven second-class language".
  - MADMEN 16y ago
    see this is my exact problem,no one outside HN gives a fuck about grammar in real world or about which programming language ideals you love in real life. Flight Caster or the other company which google bought use huge data but with that they also use huge amount of rules. They are developing rule systems and engines and not Not a data mining system. The company in the post has a machine learning problem, what they require is fast matrix multiplication and great mathematical models and not some weird ass FP language ideals. Go to mloss.org and look for projects that use FP languages. in real life no one gives a fuck about lisp and other FP idiocacy, that why AI book by norvig has now code written in Python, thats why Google being one of the most leading AI companies uses C++ Python and Java. Thats why you wont find any one in any data mining/ mahcine learning department in any US university MIT/CMU/Stanford using some shit FP lanuages. Beacuse thats not their core business! nor spelling correctly is mine.
noelwelsh 16y ago
They need someone to optimise their landing page. In particular put the call to action -- i.e. the apply now link -- on the front page.

56 points by amitrathore 16y ago

Cool, sounds like an interesting project and the perfect use case for Clojure. How do you intend to differentiate yourself from Direct Edge (my take is you're specifically looking to target CTRs rather than build a recommendation engine?) as well as a start-up in San Mateo the name of which escapes me which does something like this (but is well funded and more enterprise focused)? Best of luck!

MADMEN 16y ago

Maybe I got started on wrong foot here: here is my analysis, hopefully non trollish 1. Their business seems to focused on analytics/data mining 2. In that case their primary requirement should be for people who have experience in distributed computing , map - reduce, data mining, visualization 3. Instead you find them talking about clojure, a language which has a very small user base and not at all used in ML / data mining. 4. This seems fishy I can name several startups identica, cellexis and other who are in nearly similar area, and you can have a look at their job requirements. 5. All above points lead me to conclude that this company is being run by people who focus too much on knowing a certain language, rather than focusing on tools of the trade. Which is un understandable. 6. It gives a feel that the company is looking for someone who can write automated sys admin scripts rather than work on acutal statistical models or interface. The latter two jobs are considered a bit more interesting than just cluster maintainace in clojure. Regarding few points i made earlier: 1. Clojure is second class beacuse of lack of support or user group. 2. Regarding a comment by strlen on python not being used, python + hadoop streaming or python + c libraries are preffered solution in both research as well as production environments. There are also quite a few good C++ libraries such as SNAP. In my opinion if you are ending up working with java after using clojure it makes more sense to code in java itself. This actually describes a perfect case of creating lisp in your language of choice situation.

praptak 16y ago

Putting location on the hiring page would be helpful. Spoiler: http://runa.com/contact-us/ http://runa.com/contact-us/

khill 16y ago
It's stated on the "Destiny" page with a note that they will provide relocation assistance. http://www.workatruna.com/destiny.html http://www.workatruna.com/destiny.html

bitsai 16y ago

I'm quite intrigued by the solicitation for FPS experience on the Clojure developer page.

dpritchett 16y ago
I'm going to submit my old CS .cfg files alongside a Clojure project from github.
plinkplonk 16y ago
I suspect it means nothing more than that FPS es are what people play on the PS3 s or XBoxes in the office! Glad to be mistaken though. Amit?
- amitrathore 16y ago
  Yes, we play Quake III Arena these days. We're also starting Team Fortress 2, now that Steam was released for Mac.

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plinkplonk 16y ago

What do people on HN think of the idea behind this startup? Do you think it has the potential to be huge and/or a good acquisition target? Would you apply/Are you applying for this job? Why or why not? It certainly sounds like they have everything (business case /tech etc) well laid out. If I were a potential employee I'd have liked some information on what kind of equity a new employee could expect - RethinkDB set the standard here (http://www.rethinkdb.com/jobs/ http://www.rethinkdb.com/jobs/), but other than that very very minor quibble i think this is as good a recruiting pitch as I have seen. (Due Disclosure: (a) Amit Rathore is a good friend of mine. (b) I have nothing to do with Runa or this ad. I am just curious as to how people here perceive the opportunity).

Arun2009 16y ago
From my personal experience, Amazon's ploy of suggesting related books has been very effective on me. I've often gone there with the intention of spending perhaps USD 40 on a specific book and ended up spending thrice that amount (happily!). Hence a suggestion, FWIW: in addition to improving conversion rate, it might be also worthwhile to try to sell more stuff to existing customers. You know what they want and you know they're not averse to spending money online.
noelwelsh 16y ago
The idea is sound. There are a bunch of people in the same area; I'm not sure how Runa differentiate themselves.

MADMEN 16y ago

Sorry, but I dont get point of using an Obscure language like Clojure. Also how are they different from directed edge a YC funded start up. If they are doing predictive analysis/machine learning stuff, It makes sense to use Java, Python and C in that order since Java is what Hadoop is written in, while python and C allow very low dev time and latter provides extremely fast execution. Using an unproven second class language like clojure shows that the team behind this project has a little experience in statistical modeling and related fields. No one case which lanugage you use if its FP or ruby or even worse fortran. In statistical modeling it finally boils down to fast execution of some sort of huge matrix multiplication. Really the only concern w.r.t language is readability/ compatibility with existing systems and low dev. time

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dcotter 16y ago
Clojure is a Lisp for the JVM, so in a sense they are using Java. Besides, Clojure has been used in several high-throughput data analysis applications (FlightCaster for one), so it's not exactly an "unproven second-class language".
- MADMEN 16y ago
  see this is my exact problem,no one outside HN gives a fuck about grammar in real world or about which programming language ideals you love in real life. Flight Caster or the other company which google bought use huge data but with that they also use huge amount of rules. They are developing rule systems and engines and not Not a data mining system. The company in the post has a machine learning problem, what they require is fast matrix multiplication and great mathematical models and not some weird ass FP language ideals. Go to mloss.org and look for projects that use FP languages. in real life no one gives a fuck about lisp and other FP idiocacy, that why AI book by norvig has now code written in Python, thats why Google being one of the most leading AI companies uses C++ Python and Java. Thats why you wont find any one in any data mining/ mahcine learning department in any US university MIT/CMU/Stanford using some shit FP lanuages. Beacuse thats not their core business! nor spelling correctly is mine.

noelwelsh 16y ago

They need someone to optimise their landing page. In particular put the call to action -- i.e. the apply now link -- on the front page.