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I would guess that the Shirley Sherrod mess is a clear rebuttal to the statement: "no one bats an eye at anti-male/anti-Caucasian rhetoric." Not only were eyes

I would guess that the Shirley Sherrod mess is a clear rebuttal to the statement: "no one bats an eye at anti-male/anti-Caucasian rhetoric." Not only were eyes batted, but heads rolled (even though it was an entirely false accusation of discrimination). Other examples of widely condemned figures who are, or appear to be, anti-white or anti-male: Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and Andrea Dworkin.

lionhearted 16y ago
> clear rebuttal to the statement I don't know, you picked three extreme nutjobs[1] and one person who looked like they were completely derelicting their duty but it turned out it the evidence was mistaken... I'm not sure there's a clear rebuttal of anything. But regardless, that was a small part of the comment. The bigger point was about discrimination articles that focus on examples of discrimination against women and non-whites and not the other way around. Seems like that's a bad thing that teaches bad lessons in the modern world. Would you agree that's a bad thing? [1] I should clarify - Wright and Farrakhan are serious, serious anti-Semites to the point of being totally offensive. Dworkin... well, you can google for quotes from her if you've never been exposed to it.
- cabalamat 16y ago
  > I don't know, you picked three extreme nutjobs ... I'm not sure there's a clear rebuttal of anything. It's certainly a rebuttal of your statement "No one bats an eye at anti-male/anti-Caucasian rhetoric", because it would only take one counterexample to rebut it. Actually I'd guess that quantifying statements as "no-one" when it'd be more accurate to say "few people", is probably positively correlated with tribalistic thinking.
- dgabriel 16y ago
  I was just pointing out that anti-white, anti-male bias is clearly not considered acceptable, contrary to what you stated. The evidence against Sherrod was not mistaken so much as manipulated to project an anti-white bias that immediately got her fired. In the essay, the examples were chosen to illustrate his point, and were very non-contentious in my opinion. I see no "bad lesson," per say, but I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.
  - jerf 16y ago
    Yes, but might I point out that it was news that it was unacceptable? It's actually a new development, compared to the past twenty-ish years. See also the recent spate of articles about anti-poor white discrimination at colleges. Emphasis recent. Also, the full Sherrod story if you really dig into it is yet more complicated; at first she was clearly racist in the news, then clearly not, then if you really look at the whole story you get something much more... inbetween, to be gracious about it, which when it comes to degrees of racism is still not exactly high praise. I would still not want my government full of people like that; her non-racism is more of the "some of my best friends are white"/"not that there's anything wrong with that" sort of thing than true colorblindness.
  - yummyfajitas 16y ago
    The evidence against Sherrod was not mistaken so much as manipulated to project an anti-white bias that immediately got her fired. The evidence "against Sherrod" was not about Sherrod at all. It was about demonstrating that her audience (the NAACP) is tolerant of racism, as long as it is the right kind of racism. From the original article: In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer[...] Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”...Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance. Go read the article - Sherrod is nothing but a minor anecdote in what is primarily a criticism of liberals, the media and the NAACP and a defense of the Tea Party. http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/07/19/video-proof-the-naacp-awards-racism2010/ http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/07/19/video-proof-t...
    - dgabriel 16y ago
      Breitbart has proven to me twice now that he is an unreliable source. Viewing the video in its entirety, I witnessed no such acceptance.
    - jbooth 16y ago
      Yes, a criticism of liberals, the media, and the NAACP, that hinges on doctoring a video to make an innocent woman look like a racist. The dude she was allegedly being racist to, white farmer, actually went on a bunch of media shows to say how great she was and how she helped them in their time of need. Darn white-hating liberals.

lionhearted 16y ago

> clear rebuttal to the statement I don't know, you picked three extreme nutjobs[1] and one person who looked like they were completely derelicting their duty but it turned out it the evidence was mistaken... I'm not sure there's a clear rebuttal of anything. But regardless, that was a small part of the comment. The bigger point was about discrimination articles that focus on examples of discrimination against women and non-whites and not the other way around. Seems like that's a bad thing that teaches bad lessons in the modern world. Would you agree that's a bad thing? [1] I should clarify - Wright and Farrakhan are serious, serious anti-Semites to the point of being totally offensive. Dworkin... well, you can google for quotes from her if you've never been exposed to it.

cabalamat 16y ago
> I don't know, you picked three extreme nutjobs ... I'm not sure there's a clear rebuttal of anything. It's certainly a rebuttal of your statement "No one bats an eye at anti-male/anti-Caucasian rhetoric", because it would only take one counterexample to rebut it. Actually I'd guess that quantifying statements as "no-one" when it'd be more accurate to say "few people", is probably positively correlated with tribalistic thinking.
dgabriel 16y ago
I was just pointing out that anti-white, anti-male bias is clearly not considered acceptable, contrary to what you stated. The evidence against Sherrod was not mistaken so much as manipulated to project an anti-white bias that immediately got her fired. In the essay, the examples were chosen to illustrate his point, and were very non-contentious in my opinion. I see no "bad lesson," per say, but I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.
- jerf 16y ago
  Yes, but might I point out that it was news that it was unacceptable? It's actually a new development, compared to the past twenty-ish years. See also the recent spate of articles about anti-poor white discrimination at colleges. Emphasis recent. Also, the full Sherrod story if you really dig into it is yet more complicated; at first she was clearly racist in the news, then clearly not, then if you really look at the whole story you get something much more... inbetween, to be gracious about it, which when it comes to degrees of racism is still not exactly high praise. I would still not want my government full of people like that; her non-racism is more of the "some of my best friends are white"/"not that there's anything wrong with that" sort of thing than true colorblindness.
- yummyfajitas 16y ago
  The evidence against Sherrod was not mistaken so much as manipulated to project an anti-white bias that immediately got her fired. The evidence "against Sherrod" was not about Sherrod at all. It was about demonstrating that her audience (the NAACP) is tolerant of racism, as long as it is the right kind of racism. From the original article: In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer[...] Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”...Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance. Go read the article - Sherrod is nothing but a minor anecdote in what is primarily a criticism of liberals, the media and the NAACP and a defense of the Tea Party. http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/07/19/video-proof-the-naacp-awards-racism2010/ http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/07/19/video-proof-t...
  - dgabriel 16y ago
    Breitbart has proven to me twice now that he is an unreliable source. Viewing the video in its entirety, I witnessed no such acceptance.
  - jbooth 16y ago
    Yes, a criticism of liberals, the media, and the NAACP, that hinges on doctoring a video to make an innocent woman look like a racist. The dude she was allegedly being racist to, white farmer, actually went on a bunch of media shows to say how great she was and how she helped them in their time of need. Darn white-hating liberals.