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Please re-consider your use of the term "SJW" as a derogatory term. I had hoped that garbage would stay on reddit. Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln were '

Please re-consider your use of the term "SJW" as a derogatory term. I had hoped that garbage would stay on reddit. Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln were 'social justice warriors'. The more accepted definition is of an extreme leftist which in truth is statistically irrelevant % of the population. SJW is a strawman term that's great for dividing us and categorizing those with opposing views as the boogeyman.

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andybak 9y ago
Viewing US political culture from outside makes this even more entertaining. It appears to many people in Europe to be mostly two center-right/right groups calling each other nasty names. Of course the standard left/right dichotomy is a historical accident and contingent on many local factors. And yet we continue to reify it as if it were some Platonic truth.
- leereeves 9y ago
  America's extreme leftists (AKA SJWs) aren't center-right. They want socialism, they want to silence everyone who disagrees with them, they are willing to use any tactic (including censorship and even violence) to get what they want, and yet, in a startling lack of self-awareness, they consider the center-right half of the country "Nazis". This attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame example of their tactics, though notable for affecting the President.
  - oblio 9y ago
    All of America's extreme leftists would probably fit in a 200sqm hall, with room to spare. Why worry about a statistical anomaly? Just because they have Tumblr accounts? :) (For the downvoters, prove me wrong, how many votes did a far left party get in US elections in the past 20 years? Does the US even have a far left party? :) )
    - leereeves 9y ago
      It's much more than a statistical anomaly. It's a rather large group of people, some quite famous and powerful. Lea DeLaria: "Or pick up a baseball bat and take out every f-cking republican and independent I see" Madonna: "I’ve thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House." Mickey Rourke: "I’ll meet [Trump] in a hotel room any motherf-cking day of the week and give him a Louisville slugger." Bow Wow: "@realDonaldTrump shut your punk a-- up talking s--t about my uncle @SnoopDogg before we pimp your wife and make her work for us." Eminem: "And fuck Ann Coulter with a Klan poster. With a lamp post, door handle, shutter. A damn bolt cutter, a sandal, a can opener, a candle, rubber. Piano, a flannel, sucker, some hand soap, butter. A banjo and manhole cover" Then there's Kathy Griffin's famous photo with a severed "Trump" head, Snoop Dog's video shooting Trump ... And that's just Hollywood. There's no room here to discuss all the incidents of actual violence, or protesters denying people the right to hear speakers at public universities, etc, etc.
      - guywaffle 9y ago
        Eminem isn’t a good example. He hates politicians and Hollywood “elites”, and Trump is both
        leereeves 9y ago
        The quote I used from Eminem was about sexually assaulting Ann Coulter. Does he routinely talk that way about political pundits?
        guywaffle 9y ago
        Umm listen to the Marshall Mathers LP and then get back to me
      - breakingcups 9y ago
        No please. There's enough room to discuss incidents of actual violence. I'd like to see them, backed up by sources. It would be interesting to compare statistics. 7 celebrities talking shit does not equate a massive, unified, violent left-wing movement in the US with conspiracy-like powers and tactics to censor the right. I think the right is pretty well represented in the US.
  - lsmarigo 9y ago
    The narrative you describe in your post is largely fabricated to rally, enrage and indoctrinate individuals. It's disheartening how deeply the "us vs. them" mindset dominates our politics. You used the term "they" or "them" seven times in your short post. Seven. Who are they? A few trolls on twitter does not equal a meaningful movement. Categorizing half of the American populace based on the views/actions of fringe nutjobs is absurd and not conducive to meaningful discourse. Having a slang term for "them" (SJW) implies that it's a such a common issue that people face daily, when in reality it's a strawman argument largely fabricated by organizations interested in keeping you squabbling vs examining their policies. You go on to say "attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame example of their tactics" "Their Tactics" as if this incident was part of a master plan orchestrated by a shadowy far-left extremist org. This is pizza-gate levels of delusion.
    - Turing_Machine 9y ago
      "Categorizing half of the American populace based on the views/actions of fringe nutjobs is absurd" 1) Lena Dunham has called for the extinction of white men. 2) The President of the United States then sent his teen daughter to do an internship with this "fringe nutjob". Sorry, this crazy, hateful bigot is not "fringe", she's squarely in the mainstream of the modern Democratic Party. They need to fix that if they're planning to ever win a national election again.
      - andybak 9y ago
        > Lena Dunham has called for the extinction of white men Had to Google that. Is there more than the 30 second animation? Because as a straight white male, I didn't feel particularly victimised by it.
        Turing_Machine 9y ago
        It doesn't matter whether you, personally, feel "victimised" by it. Most participants in Internet lynch mobs don't actually feel personally threatened by whatever it is they're screaming about. If she had done that to any other identifiable group, she would have been hounded from the public sphere. Instead, she gets rewarded with some personal time with the President's daughter. Do you think Trump, or Bush II, or Bush I, or Reagan, or Nixon... would have sent their child off to intern with someone who called for the extinction of, say, black people? Nope. And no, that's not the bottom of her lunacy, not by many, many levels.
glogla 9y ago
But as a conservative, he probably is against Martin Luther King and what MLK was after, no? So calling MLK a SJW would make sense from conservative point of view.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  "But as a conservative, he probably is against Martin Luther King and what MLK was after, no? " No.
Turing_Machine 9y ago
Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln were both Republicans. Sorry, downvoter, but they were. You can, as they say, look it up.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  P.S. King famously urged that people be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. I cannot think of anything more antithetical to the modern "SJW"/"privilege theory"/"identity politics" point of view.

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andybak 9y ago

Viewing US political culture from outside makes this even more entertaining. It appears to many people in Europe to be mostly two center-right/right groups calling each other nasty names. Of course the standard left/right dichotomy is a historical accident and contingent on many local factors. And yet we continue to reify it as if it were some Platonic truth.

leereeves 9y ago
America's extreme leftists (AKA SJWs) aren't center-right. They want socialism, they want to silence everyone who disagrees with them, they are willing to use any tactic (including censorship and even violence) to get what they want, and yet, in a startling lack of self-awareness, they consider the center-right half of the country "Nazis". This attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame example of their tactics, though notable for affecting the President.
- oblio 9y ago
  All of America's extreme leftists would probably fit in a 200sqm hall, with room to spare. Why worry about a statistical anomaly? Just because they have Tumblr accounts? :) (For the downvoters, prove me wrong, how many votes did a far left party get in US elections in the past 20 years? Does the US even have a far left party? :) )
  - leereeves 9y ago
    It's much more than a statistical anomaly. It's a rather large group of people, some quite famous and powerful. Lea DeLaria: "Or pick up a baseball bat and take out every f-cking republican and independent I see" Madonna: "I’ve thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House." Mickey Rourke: "I’ll meet [Trump] in a hotel room any motherf-cking day of the week and give him a Louisville slugger." Bow Wow: "@realDonaldTrump shut your punk a-- up talking s--t about my uncle @SnoopDogg before we pimp your wife and make her work for us." Eminem: "And fuck Ann Coulter with a Klan poster. With a lamp post, door handle, shutter. A damn bolt cutter, a sandal, a can opener, a candle, rubber. Piano, a flannel, sucker, some hand soap, butter. A banjo and manhole cover" Then there's Kathy Griffin's famous photo with a severed "Trump" head, Snoop Dog's video shooting Trump ... And that's just Hollywood. There's no room here to discuss all the incidents of actual violence, or protesters denying people the right to hear speakers at public universities, etc, etc.
    - guywaffle 9y ago
      Eminem isn’t a good example. He hates politicians and Hollywood “elites”, and Trump is both
      - leereeves 9y ago
        The quote I used from Eminem was about sexually assaulting Ann Coulter. Does he routinely talk that way about political pundits?
        guywaffle 9y ago
        Umm listen to the Marshall Mathers LP and then get back to me
    - breakingcups 9y ago
      No please. There's enough room to discuss incidents of actual violence. I'd like to see them, backed up by sources. It would be interesting to compare statistics. 7 celebrities talking shit does not equate a massive, unified, violent left-wing movement in the US with conspiracy-like powers and tactics to censor the right. I think the right is pretty well represented in the US.
- lsmarigo 9y ago
  The narrative you describe in your post is largely fabricated to rally, enrage and indoctrinate individuals. It's disheartening how deeply the "us vs. them" mindset dominates our politics. You used the term "they" or "them" seven times in your short post. Seven. Who are they? A few trolls on twitter does not equal a meaningful movement. Categorizing half of the American populace based on the views/actions of fringe nutjobs is absurd and not conducive to meaningful discourse. Having a slang term for "them" (SJW) implies that it's a such a common issue that people face daily, when in reality it's a strawman argument largely fabricated by organizations interested in keeping you squabbling vs examining their policies. You go on to say "attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame example of their tactics" "Their Tactics" as if this incident was part of a master plan orchestrated by a shadowy far-left extremist org. This is pizza-gate levels of delusion.
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    "Categorizing half of the American populace based on the views/actions of fringe nutjobs is absurd" 1) Lena Dunham has called for the extinction of white men. 2) The President of the United States then sent his teen daughter to do an internship with this "fringe nutjob". Sorry, this crazy, hateful bigot is not "fringe", she's squarely in the mainstream of the modern Democratic Party. They need to fix that if they're planning to ever win a national election again.
    - andybak 9y ago
      > Lena Dunham has called for the extinction of white men Had to Google that. Is there more than the 30 second animation? Because as a straight white male, I didn't feel particularly victimised by it.
      - Turing_Machine 9y ago
        It doesn't matter whether you, personally, feel "victimised" by it. Most participants in Internet lynch mobs don't actually feel personally threatened by whatever it is they're screaming about. If she had done that to any other identifiable group, she would have been hounded from the public sphere. Instead, she gets rewarded with some personal time with the President's daughter. Do you think Trump, or Bush II, or Bush I, or Reagan, or Nixon... would have sent their child off to intern with someone who called for the extinction of, say, black people? Nope. And no, that's not the bottom of her lunacy, not by many, many levels.

glogla 9y ago

But as a conservative, he probably is against Martin Luther King and what MLK was after, no? So calling MLK a SJW would make sense from conservative point of view.

Turing_Machine 9y ago
"But as a conservative, he probably is against Martin Luther King and what MLK was after, no? " No.

Turing_Machine 9y ago

Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln were both Republicans. Sorry, downvoter, but they were. You can, as they say, look it up.

Turing_Machine 9y ago
P.S. King famously urged that people be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. I cannot think of anything more antithetical to the modern "SJW"/"privilege theory"/"identity politics" point of view.