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Everyone in the chain of command in 7th fleet (from ADM Smith on down through the captains and those standing watch) should have been separated and potentially

by rdl 9y ago

Everyone in the chain of command in 7th fleet (from ADM Smith on down through the captains and those standing watch) should have been separated and potentially prosecuted for negligence. UI confusion would be an excuse for an untrained civilian being put on the bridge and told to run the ship, but not for professionals, and obviously many systems failed for this to happen. When the military runs well, it runs on accountability -- there's been a serious shortage of that, especially above O-6, for a long time. "Retiring" without losing rank doesn't cut it.

kevinburke 9y ago
> UI confusion would be an excuse for an untrained civilian being put on the bridge and told to run the ship, but not for professionals There are plenty of examples of "UI confusion" causing professionals to make mistakes in all sorts of industries. I'd suggest taking a look at the book "Behind Human Error," for example. http://www.usabilityfirst.com/glossary/mode-error/index.html http://www.usabilityfirst.com/glossary/mode-error/index.html https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Human-Error-David-Woods/dp/0754678342/ref=sr_1_1/146-0878510-2747236?ie=UTF8&qid=1509666426&sr=8-1&keywords=behind+human+error https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Human-Error-David-Woods/dp/075...
tormeh 9y ago
From what I hear the Navy has been very diligent about accountability. There are problems you can't really hard-ass yourself out of.
- jessaustin 9y ago
  Multiple crewman have died from multiple preventable errors in multiple incidents. I haven't heard about any firing squads for COs? Normally we Americans are so enthusiastic about severe penalties? Watch-keeping and safe navigation are boring, so officers need extra incentive to pay attention to them!
  - azernik 9y ago
    "Preventable" doesn't mean "preventable by harsher discipline".
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      Haha this has got to be a reference to theWarOnDrugs...
      - azernik 9y ago
        Not intentionally. But now that you mention it...

by rdl 9y ago

kevinburke 9y ago

> UI confusion would be an excuse for an untrained civilian being put on the bridge and told to run the ship, but not for professionals There are plenty of examples of "UI confusion" causing professionals to make mistakes in all sorts of industries. I'd suggest taking a look at the book "Behind Human Error," for example. http://www.usabilityfirst.com/glossary/mode-error/index.html http://www.usabilityfirst.com/glossary/mode-error/index.html https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Human-Error-David-Woods/dp/0754678342/ref=sr_1_1/146-0878510-2747236?ie=UTF8&qid=1509666426&sr=8-1&keywords=behind+human+error https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Human-Error-David-Woods/dp/075...

tormeh 9y ago

From what I hear the Navy has been very diligent about accountability. There are problems you can't really hard-ass yourself out of.

jessaustin 9y ago
Multiple crewman have died from multiple preventable errors in multiple incidents. I haven't heard about any firing squads for COs? Normally we Americans are so enthusiastic about severe penalties? Watch-keeping and safe navigation are boring, so officers need extra incentive to pay attention to them!
- azernik 9y ago
  "Preventable" doesn't mean "preventable by harsher discipline".
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Haha this has got to be a reference to theWarOnDrugs...
    - azernik 9y ago
      Not intentionally. But now that you mention it...