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Most Mac products saw evolutionary downgrades since 2015.

threeseed 9y ago
That's an opinion not a statement of fact. The fact is that Mac sales are growing which contradicts your opinion. And as the owner of a MacBook Pro 2015 and 2017 which I both use everyday I would disagree with your opinion.
- torstenvl 9y ago
  "That's an opinion not a statement of fact." That is not accurate. The MBP keyboard, for example, is objectively worse, both ergonomically and due to quality control issues. https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/21/macbook-pro-keyboard-problems/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/21/macbook-pro-keyboard-problems... https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/10/17/johnston-macbook-keyboard https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/10/17/johnston-macboo... "The fact is that Mac sales are growing which contradicts your opinion." This is a non sequitur. Popularity is not a definitive measure of quality. Beyond that, Mac sales are down from 2015 in every single quarter. Q1 5519 5312 5374 Q2 4563 4034 4199 Q3 4796 4252 4292 Q4 5709 4886 5386 https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-mac-computers-since-first-quarter-2006/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-ma... https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy17-q4/Q4FY17DataSummary.pdf https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy17-q4/Q4FY17DataSummar...
  - abritinthebay 9y ago
    You don’t understand what objective means. For example- everyone I know with one LOVES the new keyboard. Myself included: for me it’s the best laptop keyboard I’ve used, period. That alone tears your point apart but it’s also telling that you picked 2015 (one of the peak sales years for Macs in the last decade). You either deliberately intended to mislead or you just don’t actually understand how market fluctuations work.
    - brianpgordon 9y ago
      Anecdotal, but my brand new late 2016 Macbook Pro developed a stuck key within a few weeks of starting to use it. I only used it on my desk at work and didn't take it to the beach or something crazy. This is not an imaginary problem.
  - valuearb 9y ago
    PC sales have stagnated since before 2015. Apple continues to gain market share, despite not increasing unit sales. Apple's Mac sales are around • 7% in worldwide units (up from 2% at it's nadir two decades ago) • 15-20% of worldwide PC revenues • >50% of the entire PC industry profits.
lostlogin 9y ago
On the bright side, dongle life has never been more exciting. There needs to be a term for the feeling you get when watching MacBook owners trying to work out which of the identical looking plugs will work.
- keymone 9y ago
  all i have is usbc. they do all look identical. how is that a problem?
  - lostlogin 9y ago
    Sometimes they pass power through, sometimes they don’t. Some are thunderbolt, some aren’t. Try getting a monitor to work with peripherals plugged into the monitor and have the laptop charge. It is a pretty incredible corner that Apple have painted themselves into. https://marco.org/2017/10/14/impossible-dream-of-usb-c https://marco.org/2017/10/14/impossible-dream-of-usb-c
  - brianpgordon 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15486174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15486174

That's an opinion not a statement of fact. The fact is that Mac sales are growing which contradicts your opinion. And as the owner of a MacBook Pro 2015 and 2017 which I both use everyday I would disagree with your opinion.

torstenvl 9y ago
"That's an opinion not a statement of fact." That is not accurate. The MBP keyboard, for example, is objectively worse, both ergonomically and due to quality control issues. https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/21/macbook-pro-keyboard-problems/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/21/macbook-pro-keyboard-problems... https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/10/17/johnston-macbook-keyboard https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/10/17/johnston-macboo... "The fact is that Mac sales are growing which contradicts your opinion." This is a non sequitur. Popularity is not a definitive measure of quality. Beyond that, Mac sales are down from 2015 in every single quarter. Q1 5519 5312 5374 Q2 4563 4034 4199 Q3 4796 4252 4292 Q4 5709 4886 5386 https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-mac-computers-since-first-quarter-2006/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-ma... https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy17-q4/Q4FY17DataSummary.pdf https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy17-q4/Q4FY17DataSummar...
- abritinthebay 9y ago
  You don’t understand what objective means. For example- everyone I know with one LOVES the new keyboard. Myself included: for me it’s the best laptop keyboard I’ve used, period. That alone tears your point apart but it’s also telling that you picked 2015 (one of the peak sales years for Macs in the last decade). You either deliberately intended to mislead or you just don’t actually understand how market fluctuations work.
  - brianpgordon 9y ago
    Anecdotal, but my brand new late 2016 Macbook Pro developed a stuck key within a few weeks of starting to use it. I only used it on my desk at work and didn't take it to the beach or something crazy. This is not an imaginary problem.
- valuearb 9y ago
  PC sales have stagnated since before 2015. Apple continues to gain market share, despite not increasing unit sales. Apple's Mac sales are around • 7% in worldwide units (up from 2% at it's nadir two decades ago) • 15-20% of worldwide PC revenues • >50% of the entire PC industry profits.

lostlogin 9y ago

On the bright side, dongle life has never been more exciting. There needs to be a term for the feeling you get when watching MacBook owners trying to work out which of the identical looking plugs will work.

keymone 9y ago
all i have is usbc. they do all look identical. how is that a problem?
- lostlogin 9y ago
  Sometimes they pass power through, sometimes they don’t. Some are thunderbolt, some aren’t. Try getting a monitor to work with peripherals plugged into the monitor and have the laptop charge. It is a pretty incredible corner that Apple have painted themselves into. https://marco.org/2017/10/14/impossible-dream-of-usb-c https://marco.org/2017/10/14/impossible-dream-of-usb-c
- brianpgordon 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15486174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15486174