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Those short-term benefits are far outweighed by the long-term negative effects, and there are far better ways to enjoy those short-term benefits (there may be a

Those short-term benefits are far outweighed by the long-term negative effects, and there are far better ways to enjoy those short-term benefits (there may be a few specific scenarios I am ignorant of, diseases, etc, but I'm sure those are few and far between) The real problem is people selling short-term benefits over long-term consequences.

dionidium 9y ago
"The real problem is people selling short-term benefits over long-term consequences." No, that's not it at all. If that's all it was, then I'd have no qualms or quibbles; that's a choice for each individual to make. The power of the secondhand-smoke argument is that it catapults this debate out of the realm of individual choice. Now those nefarious smokers are harming you, too! They must be stopped! This is the key you need to unlock smoking bans. You can't get any of that done without the overreach on secondhand smoke.
- loco5niner 9y ago
  Oh I see. You believe that second-hand smoke does no harm. I defer to the American Cancer Society, the Center for Disease Control, and the National Cancer Institute. https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-canc... https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/seco... https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/second-hand-smoke-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/t...
  - dionidium 9y ago
    I don't know what you think the studies on this say, but I assure you none of them support the position that it's dangerous to walk past someone smoking. Again, it's only because there's a deliberate hysteria around this issue that my claim seems even remotely controversial to you. And, yes, even the CDC is capable of hyperbole: Secondhand smoke harms children and adults, and the only way to fully protect nonsmokers is to eliminate smoking in all homes, worksites, and public places.1,2,3 Yes, I mean, that's trivially true. Eliminating all smoke in the world is the only way to ever truly be safe <cue scary music>.
    - loco5niner 9y ago
      > Secondhand smoke harms children and adults, and the only way to fully protect nonsmokers is to eliminate smoking in all homes, worksites, and public places.1,2,3 >Yes, I mean, that's trivially true. Eliminating all smoke in the world is the only way to ever truly be safe <cue scary music>. Sure, but when I'm by a campfire and the smoke gets in my face, I move. Don't you? I don't want it affecting me, whatever the effects may be.

dionidium 9y ago

"The real problem is people selling short-term benefits over long-term consequences." No, that's not it at all. If that's all it was, then I'd have no qualms or quibbles; that's a choice for each individual to make. The power of the secondhand-smoke argument is that it catapults this debate out of the realm of individual choice. Now those nefarious smokers are harming you, too! They must be stopped! This is the key you need to unlock smoking bans. You can't get any of that done without the overreach on secondhand smoke.

loco5niner 9y ago
Oh I see. You believe that second-hand smoke does no harm. I defer to the American Cancer Society, the Center for Disease Control, and the National Cancer Institute. https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-canc... https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/seco... https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/second-hand-smoke-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/t...
- dionidium 9y ago
  I don't know what you think the studies on this say, but I assure you none of them support the position that it's dangerous to walk past someone smoking. Again, it's only because there's a deliberate hysteria around this issue that my claim seems even remotely controversial to you. And, yes, even the CDC is capable of hyperbole: Secondhand smoke harms children and adults, and the only way to fully protect nonsmokers is to eliminate smoking in all homes, worksites, and public places.1,2,3 Yes, I mean, that's trivially true. Eliminating all smoke in the world is the only way to ever truly be safe <cue scary music>.
  - loco5niner 9y ago
    > Secondhand smoke harms children and adults, and the only way to fully protect nonsmokers is to eliminate smoking in all homes, worksites, and public places.1,2,3 >Yes, I mean, that's trivially true. Eliminating all smoke in the world is the only way to ever truly be safe <cue scary music>. Sure, but when I'm by a campfire and the smoke gets in my face, I move. Don't you? I don't want it affecting me, whatever the effects may be.