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This. Exactly this. I don't get why anyone would listen to a podcast with ads and/or bad information density. I mean, the whole point (and value) of podcasts i

by vog 9y ago

This. Exactly this. I don't get why anyone would listen to a podcast with ads and/or bad information density. I mean, the whole point (and value) of podcasts is to remove the private radio station crap, not to replicate it. BTW, the German podcast scene is a quite positive example of the directions podcasts can go.

tomjen3 9y ago
Do you mean podcasts in German or by Germans? If the latter, any good suggestions?
- sien 9y ago
  Omega Tau - a Science and Engineering Podcast is fantastic: http://omegataupodcast.net/ http://omegataupodcast.net/ Long episodes, such as 2 hours interviewing a physicist at ITER are really well done.
  - vog 9y ago
    And of course: (all German language) - CRE Technik, Kultur, Gesellschaft https://cre.fm/ https://cre.fm/ - Deutschlandfunk Nova - Eine Stunde History https://www.deutschlandfunknova.de/eine-stunde-history https://www.deutschlandfunknova.de/eine-stunde-history - Methodisch Inkorrekt http://minkorrekt.de/ http://minkorrekt.de/ - Raumzeit https://raumzeit-podcast.de/ https://raumzeit-podcast.de/ - Logbuch Netzpolitik https://logbuch-netzpolitik.de/ https://logbuch-netzpolitik.de/ (prefer the episodes where they have guests)
deong 9y ago
To be fair, a lot of podcasts have ads, but ads aren't what I'm objecting to. The modern web doesn't suck because of ads. It sucks because of the technologies around ensuring you look at the ads, around sharing your behaviors as you look at the ads, etc. Any podcast player I can imagine anyone would ever use has a convenient way to skip ads, and the neither the presence of the ads themselves nor my decision to skip them degrades the experience of listening to the podcast. My podcast player doesn't demand I look at Forbes' "thought of the day" or disable my fast-forward button in order to play. It doesn't connect to 280 random third-party tracking domains as I listen to an episode. It downloads a file and plays that file for me. Who really cares that much about ads that don't track you or destroy your experience?
- vog 9y ago
  > and the neither the presence of the ads themselves nor my decision to skip them degrades the experience of listening to the podcast I beg to differ. I see the ability to skip ads immediately, at any time, as a fundamental user right (and websites that try to deny this right should be prosecute by consumer protection). In other words, this is not the distinction between good versus bad quality. It is the distinction between merely acceptable versus totally inacceptable. With regard to quality, it is a huge jump upwards if a podcast has no ads at all, nowhere, not even hidden or implicit. It is a really noticeable difference if the whole audio simply doesn't care about pleasing any stakeholder besides its audience.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    I cannot agree with this sentiment. You're basically demanding that these creators work for you, for free. If you choose to skip the ads, then how should the creators be compensated for the content that you consumed? "With regard to quality, it is a huge jump upwards if a podcast has no ads at all, nowhere, not even hidden or implicit. It is a really noticeable difference if the whole audio simply doesn't care about pleasing any stakeholder besides its audience." You know what else is a huge jump in quality? Actually being able to continue to do the show.
    - zdkl 9y ago
      Either talk about something you care about a lot and do it for the love, or remember you're competing against students doing this for the fun or as an exercise.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      Nobody is entitled to a business model. If ads don't work for your users, find one that does (I hear people have some success with Patronite these days, for example). If there is none, then maybe it isn't good to try to make a business out of it in the first place. There's way too much "content" these days anyway, and the worst of it is the one that is done to make money (as opposed to labour of love, or having external funding independent of content's performance - like patronage, being considered a "marketing expense", etc.).
akoncius 9y ago
but main question is how to monetize this content ... it seems patreon is the only option?
philipps 9y ago
What are some podcasts from Germany (in German or English) that you would recommend?

by vog 9y ago

tomjen3 9y ago

Do you mean podcasts in German or by Germans? If the latter, any good suggestions?

sien 9y ago
Omega Tau - a Science and Engineering Podcast is fantastic: http://omegataupodcast.net/ http://omegataupodcast.net/ Long episodes, such as 2 hours interviewing a physicist at ITER are really well done.
- vog 9y ago
  And of course: (all German language) - CRE Technik, Kultur, Gesellschaft https://cre.fm/ https://cre.fm/ - Deutschlandfunk Nova - Eine Stunde History https://www.deutschlandfunknova.de/eine-stunde-history https://www.deutschlandfunknova.de/eine-stunde-history - Methodisch Inkorrekt http://minkorrekt.de/ http://minkorrekt.de/ - Raumzeit https://raumzeit-podcast.de/ https://raumzeit-podcast.de/ - Logbuch Netzpolitik https://logbuch-netzpolitik.de/ https://logbuch-netzpolitik.de/ (prefer the episodes where they have guests)

deong 9y ago

To be fair, a lot of podcasts have ads, but ads aren't what I'm objecting to. The modern web doesn't suck because of ads. It sucks because of the technologies around ensuring you look at the ads, around sharing your behaviors as you look at the ads, etc. Any podcast player I can imagine anyone would ever use has a convenient way to skip ads, and the neither the presence of the ads themselves nor my decision to skip them degrades the experience of listening to the podcast. My podcast player doesn't demand I look at Forbes' "thought of the day" or disable my fast-forward button in order to play. It doesn't connect to 280 random third-party tracking domains as I listen to an episode. It downloads a file and plays that file for me. Who really cares that much about ads that don't track you or destroy your experience?

vog 9y ago
> and the neither the presence of the ads themselves nor my decision to skip them degrades the experience of listening to the podcast I beg to differ. I see the ability to skip ads immediately, at any time, as a fundamental user right (and websites that try to deny this right should be prosecute by consumer protection). In other words, this is not the distinction between good versus bad quality. It is the distinction between merely acceptable versus totally inacceptable. With regard to quality, it is a huge jump upwards if a podcast has no ads at all, nowhere, not even hidden or implicit. It is a really noticeable difference if the whole audio simply doesn't care about pleasing any stakeholder besides its audience.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  I cannot agree with this sentiment. You're basically demanding that these creators work for you, for free. If you choose to skip the ads, then how should the creators be compensated for the content that you consumed? "With regard to quality, it is a huge jump upwards if a podcast has no ads at all, nowhere, not even hidden or implicit. It is a really noticeable difference if the whole audio simply doesn't care about pleasing any stakeholder besides its audience." You know what else is a huge jump in quality? Actually being able to continue to do the show.
  - zdkl 9y ago
    Either talk about something you care about a lot and do it for the love, or remember you're competing against students doing this for the fun or as an exercise.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    Nobody is entitled to a business model. If ads don't work for your users, find one that does (I hear people have some success with Patronite these days, for example). If there is none, then maybe it isn't good to try to make a business out of it in the first place. There's way too much "content" these days anyway, and the worst of it is the one that is done to make money (as opposed to labour of love, or having external funding independent of content's performance - like patronage, being considered a "marketing expense", etc.).

akoncius 9y ago

but main question is how to monetize this content ... it seems patreon is the only option?

philipps 9y ago

What are some podcasts from Germany (in German or English) that you would recommend?