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>I think you must have worked for some horribly unprofessional companies. I have for sure, but the worst of those companies was better than fortune 5 (if I sai

>I think you must have worked for some horribly unprofessional companies. I have for sure, but the worst of those companies was better than fortune 5 (if I said exactly, you'd know which company), so while primitive they obviously manage to get results that coddling hasn't. EDIT: And as for walking out, if I were your manager and you broke customer systems and made excuses for 3 weeks about it I wouldn't be yelling at you. I'd be firing you.

ForHackernews 9y ago
Firing somebody for lousy performance & making excuses is an entirely correct and professional response. Berating and profanely insulting them is not.
- xelxebar 9y ago
  That sounds like a horrendously selfish attitude. The problem was fixed; nobody was harmed; lessons were learned. The sum total of effect of this "Linus tirade" seems overwhelmingly positive. But just because he didn't conform to your arbitrary standards, you write him off? Linus is more humanist in this case than your policy apparently allows.
  - ForHackernews 9y ago
    You have no idea who was harmed. Treating other human beings with this kind of flagrant disrespect is childish and unprofessional. It's ridiculous how many people are making excuses for his behavior here.
  - ForHackernews 9y ago
    As an experiment, let's see if this comment gets flagged... You stupid, mouthbreathing motherfucker. How can you sit there and say "nobody was harmed"? I was harmed by having to read that word-vomit, and I've been further harmed having to respond to your boundless idiocy. You have no idea how many people have been put off working on open source projects because they'd rather contribute nothing than have to interact with human shitstains like yourself or Linus. How's this for a positive comment? Jesus Christ I hope I never have to work alongside a worthless rat bastard like you. Your family should be ashamed to have raised such a sack of shit. [Look how clear and direct I've been! Isn't it great!]
    - grzm 9y ago
      What is the point of your experiment? Insults like this are routinely flagged on HN. If it weren't, I suspect it would only be because it hadn't been seen by enough members or the mods.
      - ForHackernews 9y ago
        My point is that tons of people in this thread seem to think this style of communication is really great because it's emphatic and gets the point across clearly or something. I'm trying to highlight that maybe it's not so great if you're on the receiving end of it. I'm sure a bunch of hypocrites will flag me down, though.
        grzm 9y ago
        I've noticed others mention that it's context dependent: what's acceptable in some communities is not acceptable in others. Your comment, if meant in earnest, while it may be acceptable when uttered by Linus on the kernel mailing list (I'm extrapolating here based on the few comments I've perused in this thread), is not acceptable on HN. Given the different conditions, I don't think it would produce anything meaningful, whether it gets flagged or not. And given that you've prefaced it with "As an experiment, let's see if this comment gets flagged...", I suspect some that would otherwise flag it won't because it's clear it's not meant in earnest.
        ForHackernews 9y ago
        Yeah, obviously comments on this shitty message board should have a much higher standard for civility and professionalism than the development process of a major operating system. /s
    - xelxebar 9y ago
      Actually, it's good you present this. A major difference between your comment here and Linus' rant is that Linus didn't deliver personal attacks. Notice how all his vitriol is aimed at the code and not the person: "Stop gthis (sic) fcking idiocy", not "You are an idiot" "You trying to shift regressions somewhere else is bogus SHT", not "You are bogus sh*t" Your comment on the other hand is mainly full of empty name-calling. Besides the fact that it accomplishes nothing, it's a personal attack instead of a clear message that "XYZ behaviour is Bad!" That said, you are indeed indirectly evidencing that a good many people have trouble seeing a difference.

ForHackernews 9y ago

Firing somebody for lousy performance & making excuses is an entirely correct and professional response. Berating and profanely insulting them is not.

xelxebar 9y ago
That sounds like a horrendously selfish attitude. The problem was fixed; nobody was harmed; lessons were learned. The sum total of effect of this "Linus tirade" seems overwhelmingly positive. But just because he didn't conform to your arbitrary standards, you write him off? Linus is more humanist in this case than your policy apparently allows.
- ForHackernews 9y ago
  You have no idea who was harmed. Treating other human beings with this kind of flagrant disrespect is childish and unprofessional. It's ridiculous how many people are making excuses for his behavior here.
- ForHackernews 9y ago
  As an experiment, let's see if this comment gets flagged... You stupid, mouthbreathing motherfucker. How can you sit there and say "nobody was harmed"? I was harmed by having to read that word-vomit, and I've been further harmed having to respond to your boundless idiocy. You have no idea how many people have been put off working on open source projects because they'd rather contribute nothing than have to interact with human shitstains like yourself or Linus. How's this for a positive comment? Jesus Christ I hope I never have to work alongside a worthless rat bastard like you. Your family should be ashamed to have raised such a sack of shit. [Look how clear and direct I've been! Isn't it great!]
  - grzm 9y ago
    What is the point of your experiment? Insults like this are routinely flagged on HN. If it weren't, I suspect it would only be because it hadn't been seen by enough members or the mods.
    - ForHackernews 9y ago
      My point is that tons of people in this thread seem to think this style of communication is really great because it's emphatic and gets the point across clearly or something. I'm trying to highlight that maybe it's not so great if you're on the receiving end of it. I'm sure a bunch of hypocrites will flag me down, though.
      - grzm 9y ago
        I've noticed others mention that it's context dependent: what's acceptable in some communities is not acceptable in others. Your comment, if meant in earnest, while it may be acceptable when uttered by Linus on the kernel mailing list (I'm extrapolating here based on the few comments I've perused in this thread), is not acceptable on HN. Given the different conditions, I don't think it would produce anything meaningful, whether it gets flagged or not. And given that you've prefaced it with "As an experiment, let's see if this comment gets flagged...", I suspect some that would otherwise flag it won't because it's clear it's not meant in earnest.
        ForHackernews 9y ago
        Yeah, obviously comments on this shitty message board should have a much higher standard for civility and professionalism than the development process of a major operating system. /s
  - xelxebar 9y ago
    Actually, it's good you present this. A major difference between your comment here and Linus' rant is that Linus didn't deliver personal attacks. Notice how all his vitriol is aimed at the code and not the person: "Stop gthis (sic) fcking idiocy", not "You are an idiot" "You trying to shift regressions somewhere else is bogus SHT", not "You are bogus sh*t" Your comment on the other hand is mainly full of empty name-calling. Besides the fact that it accomplishes nothing, it's a personal attack instead of a clear message that "XYZ behaviour is Bad!" That said, you are indeed indirectly evidencing that a good many people have trouble seeing a difference.