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If it was anyone else we'd be calling them an utter asshole and then citing them as reasons why Silicon Valley has a reputation for <insert bad behaviour here>.

If it was anyone else we'd be calling them an utter asshole and then citing them as reasons why Silicon Valley has a reputation for <insert bad behaviour here>. Linus is still a dick and it isn't funny, refreshing or cool.

vorpalhex 9y ago
Nope. This is a valid case to call someone out. Not just for Linus, but for anyone.
- res0nat0r 9y ago
  Yep. Not by cussing at them or raging like a toddler. If this was some Joe Schmo at a random company he'd be fired for treating co-workers like that. Since it's Linus it's hero worship.
  - TallGuyShort 9y ago
    And if an employee pushed for 3 weeks ignoring the company's leader's best-known rule for not screwing over customers - what does that say about the employee? How would you deal with it if they haven't listened to anyone else? It's like you're not even reading anyone's responses to understand why they disagree with you...
  - alien_at_work 9y ago
    Not sure where you're working but in every US company I've ever worked for management behaved like Linus and worse and it wasn't them getting fired.
    - res0nat0r 9y ago
      Unfortunately you've gotten a run of bad luck with some bad companies.
TallGuyShort 9y ago
I've called Linus an utter asshole many times before, I have no problem calling him an asshole when he is one. I've made big career changes because I was sick of certain toxic people in open source projects. I'm not defending Assholes In OpenSource(TM). I just don't think this is an instance. He isn't personally insulting the person, the person was defending a choice that anyone exposed to kernel development should know does not meet fundamental expectations. After 3 weeks, that requires some bluntness. There's a thicker-than-fine line between being hostile to new contributors and being unkind, and tolerating bad practices from people who ought to know better.
arkh 9y ago
You are not your code. And behavior can be changed. If someone criticized your code, taking it as a personal attack is YOUR problem. If your behavior is criticized, it means you can improve: acting like a fool may not mean you're a fool. It's on you to disprove it.

vorpalhex 9y ago

Nope. This is a valid case to call someone out. Not just for Linus, but for anyone.

res0nat0r 9y ago
Yep. Not by cussing at them or raging like a toddler. If this was some Joe Schmo at a random company he'd be fired for treating co-workers like that. Since it's Linus it's hero worship.
- TallGuyShort 9y ago
  And if an employee pushed for 3 weeks ignoring the company's leader's best-known rule for not screwing over customers - what does that say about the employee? How would you deal with it if they haven't listened to anyone else? It's like you're not even reading anyone's responses to understand why they disagree with you...
- alien_at_work 9y ago
  Not sure where you're working but in every US company I've ever worked for management behaved like Linus and worse and it wasn't them getting fired.
  - res0nat0r 9y ago
    Unfortunately you've gotten a run of bad luck with some bad companies.

TallGuyShort 9y ago

I've called Linus an utter asshole many times before, I have no problem calling him an asshole when he is one. I've made big career changes because I was sick of certain toxic people in open source projects. I'm not defending Assholes In OpenSource(TM). I just don't think this is an instance. He isn't personally insulting the person, the person was defending a choice that anyone exposed to kernel development should know does not meet fundamental expectations. After 3 weeks, that requires some bluntness. There's a thicker-than-fine line between being hostile to new contributors and being unkind, and tolerating bad practices from people who ought to know better.

arkh 9y ago

You are not your code. And behavior can be changed. If someone criticized your code, taking it as a personal attack is YOUR problem. If your behavior is criticized, it means you can improve: acting like a fool may not mean you're a fool. It's on you to disprove it.