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As someone living in a modern wood building I can tell you that this is really not a problem anymore. Our floors are filled with anhydrite, they are solid. Onl

As someone living in a modern wood building I can tell you that this is really not a problem anymore. Our floors are filled with anhydrite, they are solid. Only when the kids upstairs are _really_ wild you can hear their steps.

boobsbr 9y ago
As someone living in a wooden house, I can say it's still problem. Even walking barefooted upstairs can be heard from downstairs. Floorboards creak and make noise. Only places that don't make this noise are the bathroom and kitchen, which have tiled concrete floors.
- throwanem 9y ago
  How old a house?
  - boobsbr 9y ago
    I don't know, TBH, I rented it this year. It has been completely renovated 5 years ago. I'd guess around 20 (-ish).
    - hwillis 9y ago
      Surprisingly, wood construction never really stopped improving and even picked up in the past decade or two. A renovation would not touch the core construction or noise. In order to make it even a little quieter you'd have to rip up the floor down to the joists and install a new subfloor. Innovations like engineered lumber, PEX and high R insulation have made a world of difference since my habitat for humanity days.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >As someone living in a wooden house, I can say it's still problem. Note how the parent said "modern wooden house" (though that also implies "expensively-ish insulated" I think).
- BatFastard 9y ago
  Don't confuse wooden building and wooden floors. The frame materials are a separate issue from how the flooring is implemented
- zip1234 9y ago
  Creaking floorboards can be solved by attaching the floors more securely. Just screw them down. Usually it is caused by wood moving against nails.
  - rsync 9y ago
    Correct. Most squeaky wood floors and stairways, etc., were just assembled poorly and you can actually fix them in situ with finish screws. I recommend the #8 GRK finish screws @ 2.5 inch length. Either find your biggest (heaviest) friend to stand on the spot before you insert the screw OR find a way to jam the floor down from the ceiling. You lock the floorboard in place, fully compressed, and then seal it in place with the screw(s). For new wooden floors, I highly recommend a layer of cork between the floorboards and subfloor for a variety of reasons ... insulation, noise, squeak avoidance, etc. I would not build a wooden floor without that layer.
- peterwwillis 9y ago
  There are a half dozen ways to silence a squeaky floor. Nobody does them because it's an expense and hassle and they don't mind the noise. The more difficult problem, reverberation and sound travel, is really a simple acoustics problem. If you have something that makes noise and there is nothing but a big gaping box with flat sides for it to reverberate in, then you're going to hear stuff. Often the simplest solution is to install carpeting. But if a tenant prefers wood floor, you can install sound-deadening insulation between the subfloor and finished floor, or subfloor and lower ceiling.
mtberatwork 9y ago
How 'modern' are we talking about? In the mid to late '00s I lived in a new, wood apartment building and the noise was unbearable. You could hear doors slamming from below and people walking around above you.
- cstuder 9y ago
  The house was build in 2013, thickly isolated, following the Minergie P standard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minergie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minergie
- hwillis 9y ago
  It depends a lot on where you are. Warm parts of the US will build houses with 2x4s and uninsulated interior walls+floors. In the northern US the exterior and even sometimes interior walls are 2x6 and have high quality insulation in the walls, floors and ceilings, plus nowadays there's quite a thick layer of foam on the outside. The extra strength and rigidity does a ton of work attenuating noise from other parts of the house, and the walls are much harder to transmit sound through.
- HarryHirsch 9y ago
  GP poster lives in Switzerland. US construction quality is weak, and building code would be nice to have. It may come as a surprise to those who have never been to the States to see just how awful housing in America is, on the contrary, those in America who have never been to Europe will be surprised to see how nice a multifamily building can be when it's properly constructed. This one is emblematic of US construction: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lake-Whitney-Cliff-House-May-Be-Burned-Thursday-262911821.html https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lake-Whitney-Cliff-House-M...
  - pault 9y ago
    What?? Surely you can come up with a better example than a house built on a collapsing cliff that was intentionally burned down. Edit: your comment would be more helpful if it referenced improved construction techniques and materials that are commonly used in Europe that haven't been adopted in the US.

boobsbr 9y ago

As someone living in a wooden house, I can say it's still problem. Even walking barefooted upstairs can be heard from downstairs. Floorboards creak and make noise. Only places that don't make this noise are the bathroom and kitchen, which have tiled concrete floors.

throwanem 9y ago
How old a house?
- boobsbr 9y ago
  I don't know, TBH, I rented it this year. It has been completely renovated 5 years ago. I'd guess around 20 (-ish).
  - hwillis 9y ago
    Surprisingly, wood construction never really stopped improving and even picked up in the past decade or two. A renovation would not touch the core construction or noise. In order to make it even a little quieter you'd have to rip up the floor down to the joists and install a new subfloor. Innovations like engineered lumber, PEX and high R insulation have made a world of difference since my habitat for humanity days.
coldtea 9y ago
>As someone living in a wooden house, I can say it's still problem. Note how the parent said "modern wooden house" (though that also implies "expensively-ish insulated" I think).
BatFastard 9y ago
Don't confuse wooden building and wooden floors. The frame materials are a separate issue from how the flooring is implemented
zip1234 9y ago
Creaking floorboards can be solved by attaching the floors more securely. Just screw them down. Usually it is caused by wood moving against nails.
- rsync 9y ago
  Correct. Most squeaky wood floors and stairways, etc., were just assembled poorly and you can actually fix them in situ with finish screws. I recommend the #8 GRK finish screws @ 2.5 inch length. Either find your biggest (heaviest) friend to stand on the spot before you insert the screw OR find a way to jam the floor down from the ceiling. You lock the floorboard in place, fully compressed, and then seal it in place with the screw(s). For new wooden floors, I highly recommend a layer of cork between the floorboards and subfloor for a variety of reasons ... insulation, noise, squeak avoidance, etc. I would not build a wooden floor without that layer.
peterwwillis 9y ago
There are a half dozen ways to silence a squeaky floor. Nobody does them because it's an expense and hassle and they don't mind the noise. The more difficult problem, reverberation and sound travel, is really a simple acoustics problem. If you have something that makes noise and there is nothing but a big gaping box with flat sides for it to reverberate in, then you're going to hear stuff. Often the simplest solution is to install carpeting. But if a tenant prefers wood floor, you can install sound-deadening insulation between the subfloor and finished floor, or subfloor and lower ceiling.

mtberatwork 9y ago

How 'modern' are we talking about? In the mid to late '00s I lived in a new, wood apartment building and the noise was unbearable. You could hear doors slamming from below and people walking around above you.

cstuder 9y ago
The house was build in 2013, thickly isolated, following the Minergie P standard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minergie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minergie
hwillis 9y ago
It depends a lot on where you are. Warm parts of the US will build houses with 2x4s and uninsulated interior walls+floors. In the northern US the exterior and even sometimes interior walls are 2x6 and have high quality insulation in the walls, floors and ceilings, plus nowadays there's quite a thick layer of foam on the outside. The extra strength and rigidity does a ton of work attenuating noise from other parts of the house, and the walls are much harder to transmit sound through.
HarryHirsch 9y ago
GP poster lives in Switzerland. US construction quality is weak, and building code would be nice to have. It may come as a surprise to those who have never been to the States to see just how awful housing in America is, on the contrary, those in America who have never been to Europe will be surprised to see how nice a multifamily building can be when it's properly constructed. This one is emblematic of US construction: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lake-Whitney-Cliff-House-May-Be-Burned-Thursday-262911821.html https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lake-Whitney-Cliff-House-M...
- pault 9y ago
  What?? Surely you can come up with a better example than a house built on a collapsing cliff that was intentionally burned down. Edit: your comment would be more helpful if it referenced improved construction techniques and materials that are commonly used in Europe that haven't been adopted in the US.