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> More so than junior developers? In my experience, "junior programmer" means you'll do ten times the work for one tenth the salary - and everyone will treat yo

> More so than junior developers? In my experience, "junior programmer" means you'll do ten times the work for one tenth the salary - and everyone will treat you like an idiot on top of that (because, hey, if you were smart you wouldn't be a junior, amirite?). Still pays more than a grad student.

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
I thought the point was about exploitation, not absolute monetary values? Because if we're going for absolute money amounts, we might as well all give up on any sort of career in technology and shift our focus to getting some managerial position in a big corporation, somewhere- that's where the money's at.
- notyourday 9y ago
  It is about being exploited for extremely small amount of money. This is a real world. In real world, people need money. Shit is expensive. Food is expensive. Shelter is expensive. Everything is expensive. Now it is possible that you are independently wealthy and it is irrelevant to you, but I can assure you anyone who is not independently wealthy would always trade shit job (A) which pays $K for a shit job (A) that pays $K + several thousand dollars, which is the complain of this article
  - YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
    I'm not independently wealthy and I left a lucrative career in the industry to study what I am interested in, in academia, although neither my jobs in the industry were "shit jobs" nor is my current assignment. So certainly not "anyone" would pick the best paying job, without any other consideration. Generally, people in academia are not in it for the money and their main motivator is not money- if it was, they would not be in academia. I don't know where you get your ideas about academics from but I can tell they're not coming from experience with academics. Also I'm not sure where you get your ideas about motivation. In my experience, the majority of people will choose work they find fullfiling over work that pays more but is not as interesting. Example: the typical developer prefers to be hands-on with code than become a manager, even if managers make more money than developers (in most companies).

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago

I thought the point was about exploitation, not absolute monetary values? Because if we're going for absolute money amounts, we might as well all give up on any sort of career in technology and shift our focus to getting some managerial position in a big corporation, somewhere- that's where the money's at.

notyourday 9y ago
It is about being exploited for extremely small amount of money. This is a real world. In real world, people need money. Shit is expensive. Food is expensive. Shelter is expensive. Everything is expensive. Now it is possible that you are independently wealthy and it is irrelevant to you, but I can assure you anyone who is not independently wealthy would always trade shit job (A) which pays $K for a shit job (A) that pays $K + several thousand dollars, which is the complain of this article
- YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
  I'm not independently wealthy and I left a lucrative career in the industry to study what I am interested in, in academia, although neither my jobs in the industry were "shit jobs" nor is my current assignment. So certainly not "anyone" would pick the best paying job, without any other consideration. Generally, people in academia are not in it for the money and their main motivator is not money- if it was, they would not be in academia. I don't know where you get your ideas about academics from but I can tell they're not coming from experience with academics. Also I'm not sure where you get your ideas about motivation. In my experience, the majority of people will choose work they find fullfiling over work that pays more but is not as interesting. Example: the typical developer prefers to be hands-on with code than become a manager, even if managers make more money than developers (in most companies).