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... the very first paragraph after the table of contents? If you check out the Middle Ages section, it shows that the theological debate that it wasn't physica
by vacri 9y ago
... the very first paragraph after the table of contents?
If you check out the Middle Ages section, it shows that the theological debate that it wasn't physical alteration started... at a date that is closer to us than the birth of jesus.
Check out Stercoranism [1] as well (which contributed to the above debate), whose whole basis is that the doctrine of physical change must lead towards normal digestive processes happening, and wondering if this turns the eucharist into, literally, holy shit.
At the end of that article is a bit of modern apologia stating that christ probably leaves as soon as the cracker hits your stomach ('but nobody knows precisely when'[2]). :)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stercoranism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stercoranism
[2] god does, after all, move in mysterious ways...
- Gupie 9y agoI cannot find where any of your links say that there was a believe in a literal change, i.e. a change to observable properties.
- vacri 9y agoWell, here you offer a prime example of the power of religion: you are being wilfully ignorant because you don't want something to be a certain way. You won't be satisfied unless the actual word 'literal' appears? It appears in the first paragraph of the Stercoranism link, and again in the second paragraph. "the 9th century Carolingian theologian Paschasius Radbertus... wrote an influential tract around 832 upholding the literal interpretation of Christ in the Eucharist". He supported the literal change, but said that the holy bits dissolved before becoming poo.
- Gupie 9y agoLike Trump you are accusing other people of your own failings. Willfully misinterpreting my position to try to win an argument that you have already lost.
- vacri 9y agoMate, you've contributed nothing to this conversation but "nuh-uh!". I've given you references AND pointed you to the parts of those references that you claim you can't find, even when the stuff you claim is missing is right there in the first paragraph. I've even ended up quoting a relevant bit for you so you don't need to even click a link. So take your claim that I'm the vacuous naysayer here who just blindly declares victory, and shove it up your arse.
- sctb 9y agoWe've asked you many times not to violate the guidelines like this, so we've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html