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Pay caps? I'm sure the companies would love that; make a legal requirement something they were fined for colluding on.

Ericson2314 9y ago
Yeah that is rediculous. Only makes sense for managerial and executive roles due to their non-market-based power. Researchers do not collectively yield that. Edit parent was calling out pay caps and then was editted.
- walshemj 9y ago
  They do when they are poached and "professionals" are normally lumped in with management for IR/HR purposes
walshemj 9y ago
Oh noes we in the UK have paid scientists and engineers poverty wages for generations - now when they are in demand, we want the government to put those boffins and greasy engineers in there place - cant have decent chaps who did a PPE at Oxbridge getting paid less than those middle class oikes
- peoplewindow 9y ago
  In this case it's not classism, though. The person calling for it is a computer science professor. Her motivation appears to be preventing people leaving her own domain and management hierarchy, rather than engaging in some battle of the backgrounds.
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  - walshemj 9y ago
    He has been co opted by the establishment this is the same old story favoring broadly the liberal arts over Science and engineering
mrep 9y ago
I know, that was such naive answer considering the answer is so obvious. The problem isn't that these companies are offering huge amounts of money, it's that the universities are ignoring the market signs and not raising pay. I find this odd though because at my school, all the professors who taught lucrative fields (engineering, cs, business) were paid much higher than the other ones because they wouldn't be able to retain them otherwise.
- kuschku 9y ago
  No university can compete with the pay that these big companies can offer. This becomes especially an issue in continental Europe, where private universities are basically unheard of. Do you want your tax money to pay many many times more for a single professor at a university, than for even the head of state?
  - lucozade 9y ago
    They don't have to compete on pay though. But they do need to pay enough to stop the poor buggers feeling like paupers in an expensive city. Much more importantly, though, is that there need to be genuine and clear opportunities for career advancement. Somehow, we've got ourselves in a situation where some of our brightest people are paid crap, in crap conditions with crap prospects. And then are surprised when they are attracted elsewhere.
  - netheril96 9y ago
    Football coaches at American universities are frequently paid much more than heads of state. Paying professors more doesn't seem like a travesty, at least compared to that.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      That's justifiable if the university is funded through tuition fees, but it's an entirely different situation with a university that is 100% funded by taxes.
jostmey 9y ago
How about a pay raise for researchers

Yeah that is rediculous. Only makes sense for managerial and executive roles due to their non-market-based power. Researchers do not collectively yield that. Edit parent was calling out pay caps and then was editted.

walshemj 9y ago
They do when they are poached and "professionals" are normally lumped in with management for IR/HR purposes

walshemj 9y ago

Oh noes we in the UK have paid scientists and engineers poverty wages for generations - now when they are in demand, we want the government to put those boffins and greasy engineers in there place - cant have decent chaps who did a PPE at Oxbridge getting paid less than those middle class oikes

peoplewindow 9y ago
In this case it's not classism, though. The person calling for it is a computer science professor. Her motivation appears to be preventing people leaving her own domain and management hierarchy, rather than engaging in some battle of the backgrounds.
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- walshemj 9y ago
  He has been co opted by the establishment this is the same old story favoring broadly the liberal arts over Science and engineering

mrep 9y ago

I know, that was such naive answer considering the answer is so obvious. The problem isn't that these companies are offering huge amounts of money, it's that the universities are ignoring the market signs and not raising pay. I find this odd though because at my school, all the professors who taught lucrative fields (engineering, cs, business) were paid much higher than the other ones because they wouldn't be able to retain them otherwise.

kuschku 9y ago
No university can compete with the pay that these big companies can offer. This becomes especially an issue in continental Europe, where private universities are basically unheard of. Do you want your tax money to pay many many times more for a single professor at a university, than for even the head of state?
- lucozade 9y ago
  They don't have to compete on pay though. But they do need to pay enough to stop the poor buggers feeling like paupers in an expensive city. Much more importantly, though, is that there need to be genuine and clear opportunities for career advancement. Somehow, we've got ourselves in a situation where some of our brightest people are paid crap, in crap conditions with crap prospects. And then are surprised when they are attracted elsewhere.
- netheril96 9y ago
  Football coaches at American universities are frequently paid much more than heads of state. Paying professors more doesn't seem like a travesty, at least compared to that.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    That's justifiable if the university is funded through tuition fees, but it's an entirely different situation with a university that is 100% funded by taxes.

jostmey 9y ago

How about a pay raise for researchers