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> Many others feel the Pope is not Catholic (which of course is impossible by definition). interestingly enough this could make sense (although quite likely no

> Many others feel the Pope is not Catholic (which of course is impossible by definition). interestingly enough this could make sense (although quite likely not in the case of Breitbart commenters). For example, the eastern orthodox church, like the roman church, defines itself as "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic", so an eastern orthodox christian may well refer to itself as "catholic" while denying the Pope is. This seem to be the reason that in some places people often refer to "catholic" as "roman catholic".

acqq 9y ago
Looking at the original meanings of the words: catholic means simply "universal" (as in "in charge of the Universe") and orthodox means "having the right belief" (right as opposed to wrong, not to the left). Only the later use of the words in some specific parts of the world gave some new (today often automatically assumed) meanings (created in the lands of their old opponents). The "orthodox" churches are proud to have "the right belief" and they don't think about the newer less positive meanings. They also consider themselves, of course "universal" because they used the very term before the schism too. Unsurprisingly both modern "Catholics" and "Orthodox" churches claim that their influence is "worldwide" and that they are right.
Aqwis 9y ago
> This seem to be the reason that in some places people often refer to "catholic" as "roman catholic". That's not really why, is it -- it's because there are also the Eastern Catholic (as opposed to Eastern Orthodox) churches that recognize the Pope as the leader of the Church while using different rites (including allowing married men to be priests).
- Gupie 9y ago
  There are also Anglican Catholics that believe basically the same doctrine as Roman Catholics but have the Queen of England as head instead of the Pope.
emmelaich 9y ago
> while denying the Pope is .. So you probably can't use the old "Is the Pope a Catholic?" line anymore. Back to the bears.

acqq 9y ago

Looking at the original meanings of the words: catholic means simply "universal" (as in "in charge of the Universe") and orthodox means "having the right belief" (right as opposed to wrong, not to the left). Only the later use of the words in some specific parts of the world gave some new (today often automatically assumed) meanings (created in the lands of their old opponents). The "orthodox" churches are proud to have "the right belief" and they don't think about the newer less positive meanings. They also consider themselves, of course "universal" because they used the very term before the schism too. Unsurprisingly both modern "Catholics" and "Orthodox" churches claim that their influence is "worldwide" and that they are right.

Aqwis 9y ago

> This seem to be the reason that in some places people often refer to "catholic" as "roman catholic". That's not really why, is it -- it's because there are also the Eastern Catholic (as opposed to Eastern Orthodox) churches that recognize the Pope as the leader of the Church while using different rites (including allowing married men to be priests).

Gupie 9y ago
There are also Anglican Catholics that believe basically the same doctrine as Roman Catholics but have the Queen of England as head instead of the Pope.

emmelaich 9y ago

> while denying the Pope is .. So you probably can't use the old "Is the Pope a Catholic?" line anymore. Back to the bears.