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I think this is interesting, but I'm having trouble seeing how it'll be used. Personally, when I want to do things like this - I roll my own custom solutions be

I think this is interesting, but I'm having trouble seeing how it'll be used. Personally, when I want to do things like this - I roll my own custom solutions because I want more control. Given that, I guess I'll be giving it a shot (although I think Firebase in general is super over priced)

baronseng 9y ago
So what are the better priced alternatives?
- codingninja 9y ago
  Have you heard of RetroAnalytics? It's a predictive analytics platform that offers similar features but without the need to be locked into Firebase. https://retroanalytics.io https://retroanalytics.io Disclaimer - I'm the founder :)
  - joshuahutt 9y ago
    What's the pricing model?
    - codingninja 9y ago
      We charge a monthly fee which is based on the sessions you are getting and then we have a few different tiers. We should have our pricing up on the site in the next few days and we have a 30 day free trial to make sure you are happy with the product, feel free to reach out to me - david at retroanalytics.io.
- thinkloop 9y ago
  I was curious about the answer myself, and bumped into kinto: http://kinto.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview.html http://kinto.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview.html - Build collaborative applications with real time updates and fine-grained permissions. - Our JavaScript client for browsers leverages IndexedDB to work completely offline and synchronise data when online. - It’s even possible for data to be encrypted on the client to keep user data safe on the server. - Permissions can be set on the stored objects, making it possible to share data between users. - Kinto is an HTTP API in front of a database. Interactions with the server are simple HTTP requests rather than complex SQL or map-reduce queries. It is meant to be minimalist and simple. This would be a self-hosted solution. They have a pre-built docker image to spin it up. Previous HN links: - 641 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10994736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10994736 - 687 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10733164 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10733164
  - baronseng 9y ago
    I've look at that as well, but "scaling production" in 2017 roadmap worries me. https://github.com/Kinto/kinto/wiki/Roadmap https://github.com/Kinto/kinto/wiki/Roadmap
  - fulafel 9y ago
    Looks like Kinto uses PostgreSQL as the backend (http://docs.kinto-storage.org/en/stable/configuration/production.html http://docs.kinto-storage.org/en/stable/configuration/produc...). This was a little buried in the web docs and website.
- andrewxhill 9y ago
  For an alternative to the predictive portions just launched, check out https://blog.set.gl/ https://blog.set.gl/ currently in a free beta.
phpencil 9y ago
Use cases vary with your app need, but the Halfbrick (fruit ninja etc) case study might help: https://firebase.google.com/downloads/Halfbrick_Case_Study.pdf https://firebase.google.com/downloads/Halfbrick_Case_Study.p... - we worked with them during the alpha testing and I think their approach will work for a lot of apps.
alvis 9y ago
It really depends on the application. Certainly, everyone love control, but there is a trade off between control and cost. Firebase prediction is simply a simple implementation for some simple use cases, which are plenty.
_justinfunk 9y ago
For what sort of applications is it super over-priced? I'm using the realtime database to build out an app, and if I start scaling my current (beta) usage by 1000x, I'm still only getting monthly bills of $100 or so. Fear based question: are there applications (hopefully mine) that would scale in an economic way? And there are other use-cases that wouldn't scale?

baronseng 9y ago

So what are the better priced alternatives?

codingninja 9y ago
Have you heard of RetroAnalytics? It's a predictive analytics platform that offers similar features but without the need to be locked into Firebase. https://retroanalytics.io https://retroanalytics.io Disclaimer - I'm the founder :)
- joshuahutt 9y ago
  What's the pricing model?
  - codingninja 9y ago
    We charge a monthly fee which is based on the sessions you are getting and then we have a few different tiers. We should have our pricing up on the site in the next few days and we have a 30 day free trial to make sure you are happy with the product, feel free to reach out to me - david at retroanalytics.io.
thinkloop 9y ago
I was curious about the answer myself, and bumped into kinto: http://kinto.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview.html http://kinto.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview.html - Build collaborative applications with real time updates and fine-grained permissions. - Our JavaScript client for browsers leverages IndexedDB to work completely offline and synchronise data when online. - It’s even possible for data to be encrypted on the client to keep user data safe on the server. - Permissions can be set on the stored objects, making it possible to share data between users. - Kinto is an HTTP API in front of a database. Interactions with the server are simple HTTP requests rather than complex SQL or map-reduce queries. It is meant to be minimalist and simple. This would be a self-hosted solution. They have a pre-built docker image to spin it up. Previous HN links: - 641 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10994736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10994736 - 687 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10733164 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10733164
- baronseng 9y ago
  I've look at that as well, but "scaling production" in 2017 roadmap worries me. https://github.com/Kinto/kinto/wiki/Roadmap https://github.com/Kinto/kinto/wiki/Roadmap
- fulafel 9y ago
  Looks like Kinto uses PostgreSQL as the backend (http://docs.kinto-storage.org/en/stable/configuration/production.html http://docs.kinto-storage.org/en/stable/configuration/produc...). This was a little buried in the web docs and website.
andrewxhill 9y ago
For an alternative to the predictive portions just launched, check out https://blog.set.gl/ https://blog.set.gl/ currently in a free beta.

phpencil 9y ago

Use cases vary with your app need, but the Halfbrick (fruit ninja etc) case study might help: https://firebase.google.com/downloads/Halfbrick_Case_Study.pdf https://firebase.google.com/downloads/Halfbrick_Case_Study.p... - we worked with them during the alpha testing and I think their approach will work for a lot of apps.

alvis 9y ago

It really depends on the application. Certainly, everyone love control, but there is a trade off between control and cost. Firebase prediction is simply a simple implementation for some simple use cases, which are plenty.

_justinfunk 9y ago

For what sort of applications is it super over-priced? I'm using the realtime database to build out an app, and if I start scaling my current (beta) usage by 1000x, I'm still only getting monthly bills of $100 or so. Fear based question: are there applications (hopefully mine) that would scale in an economic way? And there are other use-cases that wouldn't scale?