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Oh, give me a break... where did Kubernetes come from? Whose LB solution relies on DNS and whose uses BGP/ECMP for regional routing and failover? Who offered HI

Oh, give me a break... where did Kubernetes come from? Whose LB solution relies on DNS and whose uses BGP/ECMP for regional routing and failover? Who offered HIPPA compliance without dedicated hosts and stupid markups first? Who created BigQuery? Look, both Google and AWS have areas where each excels over the other, but to say that Google isn’t innovating is to say you are basically ignorant of their offering.

jaisal 9y ago
NLB DynamoDB EMR even HIPAA without dedicated was on AWS first ... whatever AWS does Google is trying to do better. Granted Kubernetes was google product but what was so innovative about it when Docker and Linux container was already there for a long time ... and now AWS has ECS
- pyvpx 9y ago
  kubernetes is a scheduler and orchestrator. something Docker (still?) hasn't gotten right.
- numbsafari 9y ago
  You are factually incorrect about HIPPA and dedicated hosts. Amazon only switched to the non-dedicated approach this year some time. Google has been that way for at least two (if not longer). EMR is basically hosted Hadoop, which is an open source implementation of a system Google created and made famous. Docker is based on cgroups, which was largely contributed by Google engineers. And anyone deploying docker for distributed systems will tell you that you need some kind of scheduler/orchestrator. Amazon excels at packaging and bundling the work of others, and provides a fairly robust enterprise management layer on top of it. CloudFormation, for example, is much better than GCP’s Deployment Manager. Google is quickly catching up in the enterprise management space as well, as they take on larger customers who demand these abilities, but I still feel like AWS has a bit more capability there. You probably should have listed Lambda, which was a nice idea out of AMZN.
Karunamon 9y ago
Google's pricing is also a lot more attractive. Unlike Amazon, they don't cut you from the free tier after a year. For a small toy project that's all you need.
- nacs 9y ago
  So what you're saying is Google's free "pricing" is better? In terms of paid usage, I believe AWS still has the better pricing and aggressively cuts prices for existing offerings. I personally have seen S3 prices drop multiple times over the years I've used it.
  - devonkim 9y ago
    To elaborate more, automatic discounts are really a big deal even at scale because it’s somewhat similar to AWS pricing schemes for reserved instances except it doesn’t require you to reprovision anything at all. For a lot of companies with stateful software and non-cloud native architecture (lift and shift) this helps cut significant costs while you’re growing. The default pricing mechanism in AWS for on-demand instances in particular for companies that can’t afford to rewrite their non-cloud native software with tons of state and no CI/CD infrastructure or process is a boon for AWS and even at six figure monthly spend you could certainly use a 40%+ discount on your instances.

jaisal 9y ago

NLB DynamoDB EMR even HIPAA without dedicated was on AWS first ... whatever AWS does Google is trying to do better. Granted Kubernetes was google product but what was so innovative about it when Docker and Linux container was already there for a long time ... and now AWS has ECS

pyvpx 9y ago
kubernetes is a scheduler and orchestrator. something Docker (still?) hasn't gotten right.
numbsafari 9y ago
You are factually incorrect about HIPPA and dedicated hosts. Amazon only switched to the non-dedicated approach this year some time. Google has been that way for at least two (if not longer). EMR is basically hosted Hadoop, which is an open source implementation of a system Google created and made famous. Docker is based on cgroups, which was largely contributed by Google engineers. And anyone deploying docker for distributed systems will tell you that you need some kind of scheduler/orchestrator. Amazon excels at packaging and bundling the work of others, and provides a fairly robust enterprise management layer on top of it. CloudFormation, for example, is much better than GCP’s Deployment Manager. Google is quickly catching up in the enterprise management space as well, as they take on larger customers who demand these abilities, but I still feel like AWS has a bit more capability there. You probably should have listed Lambda, which was a nice idea out of AMZN.

Karunamon 9y ago

Google's pricing is also a lot more attractive. Unlike Amazon, they don't cut you from the free tier after a year. For a small toy project that's all you need.

nacs 9y ago
So what you're saying is Google's free "pricing" is better? In terms of paid usage, I believe AWS still has the better pricing and aggressively cuts prices for existing offerings. I personally have seen S3 prices drop multiple times over the years I've used it.
- devonkim 9y ago
  To elaborate more, automatic discounts are really a big deal even at scale because it’s somewhat similar to AWS pricing schemes for reserved instances except it doesn’t require you to reprovision anything at all. For a lot of companies with stateful software and non-cloud native architecture (lift and shift) this helps cut significant costs while you’re growing. The default pricing mechanism in AWS for on-demand instances in particular for companies that can’t afford to rewrite their non-cloud native software with tons of state and no CI/CD infrastructure or process is a boon for AWS and even at six figure monthly spend you could certainly use a 40%+ discount on your instances.